Talk:Pragarah

After 8 years of waiting, the missing holy sword is finally back.

Despite my long efforts with the theory of Pragarah's variations until now, the official simply decided to make the sword as Ego Sword, but no fixed form.

Which is quite disappointing because we all hoped that the sword may return once again as a sword form. But not like this.

Now that the Imprinted: Pragarah tech exist, any physical weapons can become Pragarah just so long as the power imprint it. Just.. what was the point of showing mutiple variations of Pragarah?

Couldn't they just give the sword like Brionac? I guess I shouldn't expect the Dev from the start after all.

No offense to the Magic Attack users, but this is obviously a miss opportunity for the physical attack users like me.

It's not like we get to see a blade attached with huge symbol in our Mabi life. I'm sure I'm not the only one disappointed with this sword. We all expected as the Ultimate key to finish the G25 like the old JRPG style of holy sword. But what did we get?..

Sigh.. besides the variations and not being actually obtainable sword issues, the new settings for Pragarah's origin still leaves some question for the past wielders.

“	Are you the stranger for whom the guardian of the absolute god beat back time's flow? The one who would succeed the light of my long-forgotten authority? Conductor of Adniel, I have watched your path through this land, and I have witnessed where it will end without my blessing. Either you shall become the chaos that swallows everything, or the dawn that heralds a new beginning. I am the personification of the gods' blessings, born from the sea, and my fate lies not with those futures which lead to ruin. And so... I place my faith in you once more. I hearken only to those true and noble of will, thereby to protect and sustain the world. And so I shall cross every thread of time's tapestry and liberate you from your entanglement. All who came before you swore to ever walk the righteous path, But each eventually strayed, without exception. I hope you will be different.	„
—Pragarah's will

The official made a quite unnecessary settings to clear up the previous sword model errors with the new condition of wielding the Pragarah.

Before I start, Let me summarize the origin,

• Born from the Sea by Gods.
• Guarded by fairies. Fairy queen and Manannan took turns.
• Some point of time during The Second Battle of Mag Tuireadh, Lugh obtained the power of the Paladin armor from fairy queen's blessing, along with the Pragarah.
• The sword did turn the table during the war and brought victory to the human side.
• But Lugh's human broke the promise with Siora and destroyed the mother tree. Lugh was fury and sad with disappoint with the humanity that he risk his life. Discard and return the armor to queen and vanished.
• After Lugh become a Dark Lord, he promised to Ruairi to give the power to revenge and give Pragarah to Ruairi. Ruairi was amazed that the legendary sword from the story is right in front of his hand. But the sword was destroyed by Cichol at the end.
• Sword appeared out of nowhere with Lugh Lavada with new designed. Used for the evil plan and even Owen saids the Holy sword has become evil. After Lugh's demise, the sword disappeared along with him. Despite the variations, Eirawen mentioned the design was identical like in the recorded history.

So the question is... Fate lies not with those futures which lead to ruin and follow only who are true and noble of will.

• The condition about being true noble of will to wield it? That's an odd condition if we think about the other wielders.
  • Lugh(After War) ~ Morgant: Despite that he discard his Paladin armor and disappear, he did not return the sword or what happened to Pragarah itself. Only possibility we can think that fairy queen left it before Lugh try to. But when Manannan said he came to retrieve the Pragarah, he only mentioned that he knew the human cannot use the power of Pragarah, even for Lugh at the end. That still leaves some question why Pragarah itself did not leave Lugh back then.
  • Morgant ~ Ruairi: Morgant gave this sword to fufill his promise with the power enough to revenge. Despite the new settings, Ruairi was able to wield the sword and used for his revenge. He use this power to breakthrough the dungeon's maze and destroy the Altar of Goddess, destroy the Paladin knights and damaged the protagonist. So.. then why the sword did not call him to guide what is right but being neglect? even in the G3 final, Ruairi betrays Cichol and attack him with this sword to protect his friend who thought they were dead. But at the end, the sword was destroyed by Cichol. This part still leaves some plot holes with the new conditions. Back then, Ruairi did admire the path of the True Paladin, Lugh. But after his faced the reality about how the current Paladin is corrupted with wrong justice, he lost his way and confused what is right and wrong between the human and fomor. At the same time, he was wondering with Triona about the fate they will meet. Ruairi at the end was to be accepted by his father, not by controlled with unavoidable fate. after meeting Tarlach, Ruairi said that he is not a side of fomor, but following the path that he believes. but after learning the truth, he use the sword to ruin the Cichol's plan and try to save his friends. So why didn't Pragarah help him to stop the Cichol? Could it be that the will has seen the future of Ruairi's fate?... it still does not make any sense.
  • Morgant ~ Lugh(G16): Now that the sword was originally not a sword, but a power itself, Morgant somehow retrieve the power from the broken sword and leave with Triona. And some unknown point of time, the power of Pragarah was used for the bargain with Hymerark to free Triona from the curse. Later on, Hymerark use Morgant and the sword to transform into the Lugh Lavada and test out the protagonist if it can overcome the trial. But how it turned like this it still unknown. The sword was used in evil plan despite the sword cannot wield such condition back then. It can only be think that the sword was restraint by the binding contract similar to Geas. It may explain why the sword couldn't do anything but used only as the Lugh's mad scheme.

• The part with All who came before you swore to ever walk the righteous path, But each eventually strayed, without exception.
  • Their fate did end up badly, but not convinced enough to explain the full details. I mean.. the only person who swore to walk the righteous path was the Lugh Lavada during The Second Battle of Mag Tuireadh. But even that, Beimnech back then saw him only but a disappointment despite the rumors he heard about him. Overall, it still does not explain the current condition to wield and why the Pragarah's will didn't do anything but remain silent. Using the true power of Pragarah's standard is still a mystery.

I know.. at the end, the dev somehow managed to fill the plot holes from Generation 16. that's without a doubt, they did it well. But despite the model variations, the result is such a misopportunity for users(or sword lovers).

But I still hope that we may obtain the real one in the future. Because we still haven't seen fairy queen, Siora. Who has also a connection with Pragarah.

That is what he's holding right...?

Ya, and it actually looks different now.

o-o nice to know. I was wondering since it looks really weird for a sword...then again it's Lugh lol.

Lugh is notorious for weird swords... Just look at the "sword" the Brionac...

lol...I still wish it was a Throwable Javelin xD

Wait where does it say its the Pragarah?

I just assumed it's Pragarah o-o;; I don't think he'd leave without his trusty sword ;c

He left it with Ruairi back in G3... unless he took it when no one was looking.

...Unless it is 'his' version of Brionac...

Plus we don't know if he has many many many more...

that's possible...I mean it isn't related to the Partholonian Brionac according to Briana o-o

I can't find the name of dat sword in the pack files...

I'm not sure if I can reply this now, I think it's in the Chapter 4 > tool called Fragarach.pmg

NPC Text is server sided.

Damn. I guess the world will never know?

We can always redo G16.

I doubt it. Sword's purpose is pretty trivial to a crisis.

“	But that sword. The Pragarah. That was the Knight of Light's legendary blade. Could it have been taken by the fomors during the war?	„
—Eirawen, Nearby Rumors Keyword

Problem solved...? o-o

Seems like it.

According to my research, There are 3 Pragarah in the storyline. Well... Different design though. As you know guys... Lugh = Morgant right?

So it's like this.

G1,G2,G3,G10 Dark Lord(known as Morgant)has a Pragarah(Although the game item code is Dark knight Two handed Sword)

In, G9 it appears lugh has a DKTHS.(This is actually a Story / continuity errors.)

In G3, Morgant gave Pragarah to Ruairi with the Claymore version (In the cutscene, It's a fusion design of claymore and DKTHS)

• Morgant still keep his Pragarah with his hands. this is also the Story / continuity errors. Because in G3 ending scene, the pragarah seems to be broken. the design shows that it's not a ruairi's Pragarah. but Morgant's Pragarah.

• Users who don't know about this, Ruairi version of Pragarah is disappear after he fight against the Cichol.(It's broken. cause G3 ending shows that the pragarah is broken. but due to the error, morgant's pragarah is broken)

This explains The 3 Pragarah exist in the storyline.(Well, I blame the story developers though.)

• Pragarah did not effect much than the Brionac in the game.

 It only known as the Lugh's holy sword or legendary blade. 

During the G3 season, the claymore version of Pragarah suppose to have a symbol on the sword, but due to the lack of technical developments of Devcat, it doesn't have a symbol in actual game.

In G16, Lugh portrayed as Macbeth, Pragarah appears with the new design. it's a resemblance of claymore but it has a symbol(If you see closer, it has a celtic cross symbol.

Conclusion: Due to story error, Pragarah has a three version in Mabinogi.

Oh dang, he aint kidding.

http://puu.sh/1nIia

If I do joking about this blade, I wouldn't even search about this lol~

I learned about DKTHS in Mabinogi Simualtor 1.

Screw simulators. 8D

Screw or not..:P

I'm just telling you that I found that blade from there.

Haha, I know. :P

Kevin, what is that link? o-o

DKTHS? I didn't know there was another variant of the Two-handed Sword o-o

Technically, there was. But as you know, Only Morgant can use this.

If you see G3 ending, this DKTHS is also the Pragarah.

I'm still working on this "Pragarah" (Recently, I used the unpack to my ego claymore > G16 version of Pragarah. Guess I'm rly a fan of this weapon ~_~)

I wish I can show you my whole research about Pragarah to you users.. But unfortunately..

"This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your edit was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: no external links by non-autoconfirmed users"

By any chance... I hope the administrator read this comment.

Oh and by the way... I'm a Korean-American guy.

If you have less than 30 edits on the wiki and attempt to link to an external source, your changes will be blocked. It's an anti-bot measure. Considering you're posting this on a talk page, I guess you can workaround the filter (or make some edits) and just add some spaces to the links you plan to post.

Ahh................sorry..can you say that again?

didn't quite understand..

or..for example? D:

as df.com

Should work

asdf.com

test...

Okay. Maybe just exclude the www. and/or http:// parts and it should work. People will just have to copy/paste the link rather than click it.

Ok.

It's...

http://cafe.naver.com/mabinogidsg/46389

By the way...I cannot help you with translation, because my English sucks...:P

So.. translation part is on your own.. :(

Looks quite interesting just by the looks of the pictures..

and hey! My picture is in there! :D

That's you?! great o.O!

I was rly shocked about those two images. You have my thanks :D

P.S. The 12/5/2012 and 12/8/2012 images are all worked by me (Used with Paint program). It took me a long time though lol

I'm still researching the G16 Pragarah and G16 Lugh(AKA Morgant) :S

Err, what kind of link is that? O-o

Replace the spaces with a slash.

Ah.

... I can't understand it ><

Hold on, where does it show that Pragarah was destroyed? I can't find it in the Strategy Guide.

After the last conversation with Morgant during the ending credit. Or find out

in here

cafe.naver.com mabinogidsg 46389

http://cafe.naver.com/mabinogidsg/46389

I know, but its not in NA's strategy guide.

Ah... I see...:/..

Check the Dunbarton library(orb) to see the ending of G3(Not sure if that content is available in NA :o..)

I checked it a few times, that image wasn't shown.

By the way, whose Pragarah was destroyed? Morgant's or Ruairi's?

Good question. Even I'm not sure about this.

In Kor Mabinogi, everyone saids that Ruairi's Pragarah was destroyed by Cichol.

But the ending shows that the Morgant's Pragarah was destroyed.

• This might be a false answer. Cause Morgant still has his Pragarah.

They(DevCAT) just screwing the users.

Wait....seriously, that image isn't shown?!...I even checked my Kor mabi, one last before the maintenance today D:..

Nvm, I just saw the credits and the broken sword was there.

Ahh..Good... :)

By the way, where does it say that the DKTHS is Pragarah? Couldn't it be just another dumb sword Morgant uses?

No one thought that Morgant's sword is a Pragarah.

But I figured out when I saw the G3 ending: the scene where Pragarah was destroyed (The guard design is identical to Morgant's sword.)

But the game code saids DKTHS. I dunno the rest about this yet, cause devCAT did not explain correctly...

Yet Lugh in G9 has the DKTHS, and Pragarah was said to have vanquished Fomors during the wars.

Yes. In G9, Lugh use the DKTHS. But this is an error, cause originally...he suppose to have a new design of Pragarah.(DevCAT's error continuity)

Pragarah was said to have vanquished Fomors during the wars....I see..

But that means Lugh also vanquished and become a Dark Lord Morgant.

The G9 contains a critical error. Cause Lugh fought the fomors in war... more than 100years ago. But meeting with Fallon doesn't make any sense.(Well, everyone said G9 has a plenty of plothole. :P ) Correct me if there is anything wrong plz.

I don't think it was THAT long ago...

I blame DevCAT :P

Hey guys I just updated the another research for Pragarah I know..It's been 2 month...Less info of Pragarah DX;; Anyway... here's the link for new page.

cafe.naver.com mabinogidsg 52128

About this...

• Interestingly, Ruairi's Pragarah has symbols etched on the blade with a Claymore's guard when he receives it in the cutscene, but in-game it is simply a regular Claymore.
• Lugh's Pragarah has identical symbols but a different guard.

part... I don't think both Ruairi(or Morgant)'s Prargarah and Lugh's Pragarah symbols are the same....

BUT... If you see the Krutta Broad Sword.... there is a small symbol. I heard that if you combine that symbol with Lugh's Pragarah symbol.. the symbol will look the cutscene. Well... I don't know how to combine those two symbols. If anyone is expert of combining the symbol images... help me up :(

On trivia:

• Interestingly, Ruairi's Pragarah has symbols etched on the blade with a Claymore's guard when he receives it in the cutscene, but in-game it is simply a regular Claymore.

    *Lugh's Pragarah has identical symbols but a different guard.

Everytime when I try to compare those two symbols... they are not the SAME! Well... everyone knows that Ruairi's Pragarah did not show the full symbol but half of it. Can somebody draw that symbols and compare those two symbols? (I can't draw;;)

Favor to ask to every mabi wiki users:

One of kor mabi user told me that Krutta Broad sword had a similar symbols like Ruairi's Pragarah. and interestingly, he said that when Krutta symbols and Lugh's Pragarah symbols combine together, it will become a Ruairi's Praragah symbol. I thought he was joking, but I could not deny his words. After that I tried to compare those two symbols

But Krutta's symbol was too small for me to combine it. So... can someone try to compare this for me?

I stopped my researching about this weapon for now, because of limited informations. And it still bugs me that which Pragarah is the REAL Pragarah(I'm sure that Morgant's is a real one though..)

Not only Lugh's death and disappearance, the pragarah that he hold... still bugs me. But we might find some clues for that. (Until DevCAT say something about this weapon or Lugh himself.)

The thing is, in-game looks does not compare to drawings/pictures. I compared the Krutta broadwsword too. It's kinda meh. the marking in the middle of the blade vaguely resembles the paragrah's eatching, though I can see what he ment. It's kinda comparable, but neh, can't see the resemblance.

In the game model, there are three versions of Pragarah.

One from Dark Lord Morgant/Champion Lugh - Dark Knight's Two handed Sword. (G1~G3,G9~G10)

One from Dark Ruairi - Claymore. (G3,G17)

One from Lugh Lavada - G16 Pragarah. (G16)

We know that Morgant gave his weapon to Ruairi. But Morgant still holding his sword. So..that's 2 Pragarah.

Ruairi's Pragarah was destroyed by Cichol. the ending credit shows that it was destroyed. but different design. So... Ruairi's Pragarah can be a copy/fake.

As for Morgant, still holding his Pragarah till the end of G3.

In G9, Champion Lugh was holding a DKTHS. Which means this design is the real one.

BUT...

In G16. New model of Pragarah showed up. But the length and guard looks resembles to Claymore. and Eirawen said that this model is the exact same model from their history records.

Users can think that Lugh retrieved Ruairi's Pragarah and repaired with the new design. Then what will happens to the Morgant/Lugh(Champion)'s Pragarah????

It doesn't make any sense to me.

Until proven wrong, they're ALL correct, there can be discrepancies. Don't assume one of them is wrong until they said it is, just nod your head and act as if the difference is normal.