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The Titles page is awfully cluttered...
I think we should discuss a way to reduce the clutter on the titles page.
It's quite a big page, and titles are all over the place, with Prefix titles interspersed with regular titles, obsolete Destiny titles, as well as Talent level titles which are already found on the Talent page.
The page itself is quite large, and I would think some way to hide the sections shown would help greatly.
I think the prefixes should be moved and put together, maybe the talents can move (but they're still titles so they have to stay somewhere). A bit of reorganization of the rest and it should be fine. Hiddentext stuff we probably shouldn't use since it interrupts Ctrl-F.
There could be a redirect, when searching for Talent titles, that goes to Talent as the relevant information is there.
I also think that there is too much segregation between regular titles. It's annoying when you're looking for all of the numbered titles and they are all out of order, spread around in various sections because of rather arbitrary connections with other titles.
In regards to Hiddentext, is it possible to add something that will show all Hiddentext at once?
Isn't it the parameter:
- |show=
I think you put y, or 1, or...yes? i dunno. You guys do mean, Show from the start instead of hiding right?
I think he's asking so that if you press show on one table, it opens them all.though that'd just scroll you up if there are multiple hidden text tags above your current page location.
I think it's possible, but it would be a lot more complicated than the hidden text template we have now.
Could be moved to the end of the page, with a warning that says these titles are no longer in use.
Or a redirect to the relevant page...
need to a put warning for "the use of crtl+F may help" or something. like what i put on my story page, only much more professional looking.
How about creating a Category:Titles page to allow for multiple smaller pages instead of one big clusterfuck?
The current Title page is barely better.
Multiple pages no....doing something this:
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"I can't find anything in this blasted abomination of an article!" The use of "Ctrl + F" is highly recommended for finding something quickly. |
yeah I'm down with that. Oh yeah, please don't actually place that on the page...that's is for my personal use on this page among other custom character templates found across my subpages and what not...these things are really fun, but since we're going for a professional approach...yeah doubt I'll see any of these floating around.
There's no need to create any additional pages. Think we should just move the unused titles all the way to the bottom with the future content ones, then talent and prefix titles, then the rest. Numbered titles should go together, event, transformations, etc. can go after that.
I think secondary titles (Dan rank prefixes and event suffixes) can be moved to their own page.
Destiny titles should be moved to an archive page.
Talent titles aren't really titles, so they don't belong here.
They could, but I don't see much point, would rather group them together and have them lower.
I don't feel like there's enough destiny titles to be worth archiving, but I doubt anybody would be searching for them either, so whatever works.
Talent titles have to stay somewhere here in the event someone searches up "titles" looking for talent titles.
References at the top that say "If you are looking for the Talent title, go here: Talent" solves that issue.
Secondary titles don't have to be on the same page because there isn't much reason to compare them to regular titles; you get their bonuses together with regular titles and your choice of plain title doesn't affect the availability of secondary titles or visaversa(except in the case of Dan rank titles, but those have no stats) so nobody has to look through secondary title bonuses to decide which main title to use. Right now there are enough secondary titles for them to have their own page.
Since destiny titles are no longer available, there is no reason to clutter anything other than archives with them. A link to Destiny#Titles is enough.
Things that aren't relevant to titles don't have to stay anywhere on the titles page. Helping people who put the wrong thing in search is what Template:For is for.
Talent titles should be replaced with a link to the relevant page, but all the other changes are unnecessary.
A semblance of organization is unnecessary?
What a world you live in...
Other way around, breaking up the title page is a taboo, making new pages is not. If you want to make a page for str giving titles, another for int giving titles, etc, go on. But don't dissect this page.
Have to dissect it to make new pages.out of it...
And it still deserves a remodelling to have organize it better.
What did we just say? Don't dissect this page.
If you want to make smaller more specific pages similar to what we do for enchants, that's fine, but don't break searching and sorting on this one.
You have to dissect it to copy relevant information for the individual pages...
Oh, you're assuming that the information won't stay here.
lol
You're either planning to piss us off, or misusing the word "dissect".
dis·sect diˈsektdī- verb verb: dissect; 3rd person present: dissects; past tense: dissected; past participle: dissected; gerund or present participle: dissecting
1. methodically cut up (a body, part, or plant) in order to study its internal parts
Mmm... as far as I can tell, no.
Maybe because I hadn't mentioned putting it all back after I copied it?
I think you'd be better off just using the word analyze, not dissect. Dissection implies its irreparably disassembled. Either way, as long as the Titles page remains the same or nearly the same, go for it.
Maybe it does to you but 'dissect' is appropriate terminology as far as I can tell.
Breaking up the page would be the opposite of organization. Having everything together makes it sortable and more easily searchable.
We have a page for all enchants together, but we still have pages for individual rank enchants.
Is that not sortable?
And searchable?
Let's try this for example: Prefixe titles on their own page, regular titles on their own page, Talent titles on Talent and Destiny titles on Destiny... all connected by a Category:Titles page. Then individual pages for titles with specific benefits, like Enchant Modifiers pages.
Think that that is bad?
That's mostly fine as long as we still have at least one page that has all regular titles and at least one that has all the secondary titles.
Talent Titles can go on a titles Disambiguation page since they have a similar name, but they don't belong in a Titles category.
Then we're in agreement, and breaking up the Title page is not taboo.
There already is anchors, I had Kevin add them in a year go. Though for some reason, they don't work.
I don't mean to necro, but whatever happened to Project Cleanup?
I don't think any consensus was made. I still say put a notice for Ctrl+F somewhere due to the large size of the page.
I'm fine with Ctrl + F.
What do we do about those titles on separate pages? Numbered Titles, Master Titles, etc.
I still don't quite understand the point of making pages like Numbered Titles and Master Titles. Would've been better to just make tables of Str-Giving Titles, Int-Giving Titles, etc. Similar to the enchant pages.
Wow...this page really does need clean up then. Everything should be kept in on place...in some form or another.
What do we do about this page then?
IMO I don't see the point of keeping the General Titles section separated into categories, I think it'd look better in numerical order. Then again, those asterisk titles could be a problem...
Oh, how quickly this was forgotten...
Remind me again why someone decided to put those titles in their own pages?