Morgant = Human

If he declared himself human during G2, then Morgant is human. Lugh can be left undeclared since there's there a bunch of crap that pretty much makes it unclear. Triona should also be declared human as well, or half breed. I have no idea on Triona.

Hmm, you have a point on separating Morgant and Lugh. But did it ever actually say Triona was half human or half fomor, or was it assumed because it said she is not full breed and she is acceptabed by neither culture? I could be Iraqi and not accepted in Brazil or Russia, that doesn't mean I'm half Brazilian and half Russian. (Very random example but you know what I mean.)

No, it's like this:

• Father is declared human
• Fomors and Humans hate her except morgant/Lugh
• By definition and logical deduction, she is a half-breed and it is probably considered Taboo.

I'm not saying that she is, but all we can deduce just using the in-game text is that she is a child of fomorian origin. Even the course of G2, it was a kidnapping of a fomor child. Triona can also be left unclear.

Really? I had a completely different take on it. Morgant was already siding with Cichol when Redire found a baby in fomor territory (can't remember if it was in a dungeon or whatever), took it back with him (under the assumption that the fomors kidnapped the infant), only to have Morgant tell him that the baby is his. I also thought that Esras only told the public that it was a fomor child in order to save Redire's reputation after his blunder.

Oh, and 1 small flaw with that logical deduction; The premises that you used could also point to her being human. Since she's human, fomors hate her. But she also grew up around fomors/"lives" in dungeons (guilty by association mentality), so humans hate her.

All you can say with certainty is that she's part of one twisted family lol >_>;

See...it's hard to pinpoint what Triona is @@

Lexis, I agree with almost all of your points. This is what concerns me, "all we can deduce just using the in-game text is that she is a child of fomorian origin", don't you mean human oirigin, if we're going by bloodline? What are you referring to, Ruairi's line when they first met?

As well, I don't think Humans actually KNOW what Fomors look like. Humans thought Andras was a Fomor because of her ears, back when Iria was kept secret from non-traders. I'm not saying all do, but I moreso think Fomor is used as a term for outsider, rather than a litteral species, most of the time. That is assuming there is such a species called a Fomor, and not just a collection of cultures. the only way we can say Triona is a Fomor is if she specifically says she's a Fomor (if she says she's a Human later, in my opinion, we should say neither Human nor Fomor and state that both are said, until clarified if she is mix breed, if she somehow got a species change, etc.) Unfortunitely, that will never happen unless they have a flashback of when she was alive. The only other way is if we get an actual definition on what "Fomor" means, its up for interpretation right now so it's very confusing.

One last thing, her father being human doesn't mean she has to have any human blood, this is a freaking phantasy game. Thus far, this is what I think should be done: Morgant should be called a Human on his page, since it specifically refers to himself as a Human once in the game and no other references to his species in that form. Lugh on the other hand should say unclear and explain why (like what I did). Triona should say Unclear/Unknown as well, we can say she is the daughter of a human, and she was possibly mistaken for a Fomor. We cannot have any definites on any of these NPCs but Morgant, since, in my personal opinion, social background facts like species should not be up for interpretation. In these kind of cases, you shouldn't be avoiding technicalities, technicalities are what is important.

I'll shut up now, it feels like all I ever do now days is stalk/annoy talk pages and work on minor projects.

Rereading what I was able to record for that recap thing:

“	Triona looks up at Ruairi, asking if he hated her because she was a Fomor. She then goes on to say that she does not know where to belong, as both Humans and Fomors hate her. Heartbroken, she thought Ruairi would appreciate the care she put out for Ruairi as he was in a coma and understand. To her dismay, she did not think she would be treated like the others had treated her in the past.	„
—This part of the entire recap

Yeah. Pretty much child of Fomorian origin.

Ah, I see your point there.

Oh and just to add on to the definition of Fomor point, do we actually know why Ruairi suspects her of being a Fomor? Because she's in a dungeon? Because she has red eyes? (A lot of NPCs, such as Alissa and Ferghus have red eyes.) Is it because of the clothing she wears? (That symbol on her necklace is repeatedly acknowledged to be Druid in Mabinogi. Only in Vindictus has it ever been said to be Fomor.) Is it one of those things where we are just left in the dark as to what makes Fomors distinguishable? For all I know, Fomors could have an insanely deep voice, even little girls, and that's how Ruairi was able to tell. (Enjoy that mental image.)

All this stuff is giving me a headache... I want to kill whoever designed this.

Ruairi suspecting her as a Fomor:

“	...Are you a Fomor...? You don't seem like one...	„
—Ruairi

Then in the next cutscene:

“	...I don't want any. How can you expect me to eat the food of the Fomor's?	„
—Ruairi

Nope, they don't tell us why.

Insanely deep voice? I know that's true for Shakarr and Verafim in Vindictus, but Verafim's voice is pretty light when he speaks English.

I stalk talk pages too. Don't feel bad about that.

Wait, so Ruairi DOESN'T think Triona looks like a Fomor? Why the heck does he suspect her then?!
And the deep voice thing wasn't serious. . _.

Extreme naivety, maybe?

I thought Triona was disliked because Humans hated Fomors and vise versa. IIRC Ruairi originally refused her help because he believed she was Fomor. In G3 Strategy Guide, Kristell and James call her a "baby Fomor".

I'll look through the Strategy Guide again later on.

Also on the note of separation, would it be okay to strip every mention of Lugh outside of the spoiler boxes on Morgant's page, and vise versa? Other "identities" lack such.

Morgant's main focus should be about Morgant himself and vice versa for Lugh. I mean, look at Fortinbras and Marcellus. Fortinbras' main focus is of him, and lacks anything out that the small mention of Marcellus. Even Marcellus says he landed a role in a play or something like that when you talk to him. Though that's not much of a spoiler, the concept I'm trying to get across is treating them as two separate entities.