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Some things to test

Some things to test

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Last edit: 15:17, 18 November 2013

1. What constitutes a field boss

  • I used meteor rank 5 on both the Arc Lich and Giant Black Wolf, neither counted for training
  • I would assume this would mean that only a "Raid Boss" counts for this requirement, but I'd like someone to test this on other field bosses first.

2."Ignores any form of passive defense"

  • I'mma call BS on this. The residual flame damage, fine, but not the entire meteor. Someone go nuke a buncho zombies and see their damage.
  • It could be that the meteor has all three types of damage included in its calculation, not that it ignores passives.
    • If this is the case, then how do the stats factor into the damage?
~Dæmonis(´∀`) (talk)07:58, 18 November 2013

I'd have to say Iria Raids/field boss. I can't confirm this considering your threw Arc Lich out the window. As far as Ignoring passive defenses, I haven't used my meteor on anything with 100% immunity towards melee/magic as of yet. I'll look into that one as I train rank B. I do believe that the flames are similar to that of Wings of Rage's after effects.

ベリサ・マイルスター (talk)08:17, 18 November 2013
 

I think the flames might magic. Zombies are taking 1s from it. I meteored some monsters and the numbers are pretty expected probably. Rank A meteor. 222 Magic attack.

  • Brown ghost immune to magic/melee 60%~ protection lightning element: 3671
  • Blue ghost immune to melee/range 20%~ protection ice element: 7056
  • Red ghost immune to range/magic 25%~ protection fire element: 3432
  • Prison sword ~30% protection: 4818
  • Gray prison zombie ~35% protection: 5812

And finally after an extremely large amount of trouble.

  • Jean Night Nightmare humanoid: crit 22000~ damage.

The info of ghosts and zombies might not be enough, but I say it hurting Jean Night nightmare humanoid means something.

Meru (talk)16:14, 18 November 2013
 

Rank 1 Meteor here. Here's what I found out while training:

  • The impact is affected by magic attack. My reforged and special upgraded staff does much more damage than my unupgraded Shyllien Knuckles.
  • The residual damage is not affected by magic attack. With my staff, it still did 1200 every 2 seconds versus basic Provocation barrier spikes.
  • The residual damage is definitely magic damage and can be reduced by Mana Reflector, Magic Defense, and Magic Protection. During lower rank training, I managed to hit 1s with the residual damage in Shyllien where nothing is completely immune to magic.
  • Targeting a monster as opposed to clicking the ground will cause meteor to be centered on where your client thinks that monster's hitbox is.
    • Side note: Dragon Dash Attack and Stampede leave the monster's hitbox where it started the attack until the skill finishes, causing your meteor to target where the boss used to be instead of where it ends up if you click the monster instead of the floor.
  • You can target through walls and any rank of barrier spike (according to a friend, I haven't tested).
  • For training requirements at rank 5 through rank 3, field bosses seems to refer only to the bosses listed on the Iria Raid page.
  • For training requirements at rank 2 and rank 1, dragons seems to refer only to dragon raids.
    • I haven't tested, but I've heard that the shadow mission version of the Red Dragon doesn't count. If that is the case, Cromm, Crumena, Langhuris, and Bhafel probably don't count either.

I'm going to be casting a few hundred meteors in the next two months for master title, so a few extra for testing won't really set me back by much. Let me know what else needs testing or confirmation and I'll try my best to find an answer. I'm not going to take on requests that require too many repeated meteors until I master it, though.

Blargel (talk)18:01, 18 November 2013

I'm thinking the magic residual damage is actually range type damage. In metus, the flames only seem to be hurting the brown ghosts, and in shyllien, the range immune maneater plants take 1 damage still even at rank 5 from it.

Meru (talk)16:29, 24 November 2013
 

Hmm, I never thought about that. I do see 1s pop up in Shyllien during residual burn damage, but I thought those were coming from the Sasquatches since I target a giant group.

Blargel (talk)18:22, 24 November 2013
 

I notice that emerald shriekers(which also have level 3 monster natural shield) only take 1 damage from the residual.
Meru's observation that the residual damage only hurts the brown prison ghosts (The range-weak ones) out of all 3 seems to be fairly definitive that the residual damage is Ranged. However, I'd like someone else to confirm that it only does 1s on the red and blue ones.
Just an aside though, the actual meteor only did 1 damage on the browns, right?

~Dæmonis(´∀`) (talk)03:20, 27 November 2013
 

No the actual meteor does full damage to all 3 ghosts and zombies. Taking into account protection of course.

Meru (talk)10:15, 27 November 2013
 

I think it's safe to say that it does ranged attack damage then. I had only made an assumption based off of what would logically make sense but I only had limited observation of burn damage. Also, I believe it was established that the actual impact ignores passive defenses based off Meru's test with the white Nightmare Humanoid.

Blargel (talk)12:23, 27 November 2013
 

Hm, if the residual damage is ranged damage, then would it be physical or magical defense/prot that's lowering the damage?

Infodude575 (talk)14:03, 27 November 2013
 

Targeting related, I noticed that there's times I can't target the ground until i click the monster at vast ranges. So far this only seems to happen in Red Dragon SM when I'm behind the door :s.

ベリサ・マイルスター (talk)18:20, 18 November 2013
 

More info because I missed a dragon due to this. :(

Although magic can normally hit flying Black and White Dragons, Meteor cannot.

Blargel (talk)20:20, 18 November 2013
 

Last I checked, B/W's hitbox isn't as huge as their big fat size. Did you aim directly under their belly and did they move?

Infodude575 (talk)20:32, 18 November 2013
 

How could they possibly move when they're using their skill that makes them fly? And of course I'd target the center of the dragon. I also made sure there was no position glitching going on.

Blargel (talk)20:40, 18 November 2013

There are instances that they teleport due to walking out of its intended boundaries or getting stuck for an extended period of time. I've seen it happen once...and only once. Though come to think of it, I've seen it fly and appear elsewhere another time while doing Sagas...hmm...

ベリサ・マイルスター (talk)23:23, 18 November 2013
 

I don't know why you guys are doubting my experience since I've been very specific about what happened. There was no position glitching. The dragon was near its original spawn point. It didn't suddenly move during the skill for whatever reason. I aimed at the center of the dragon. Absolutely nothing strange happened during this event except that the dragon was just starting to lift off to perform its ice breath attack as the meteor was falling, causing me to miss. The only possible explanation for my experience is that Meteor doesn't hit dragons while they're flying, even though most other magic can.

Blargel (talk)11:12, 19 November 2013
 

I'm not doubting :s I'm just saying that things happen, albeit some are just rather strange occurrences. Don't get me wrong, I believe what you say considering you have used it extensively more than I have.

ベリサ・マイルスター (talk)11:25, 19 November 2013
 

According to Master Chef update notes, Black/White Dragon not counting for Meteor's training requirement is a glitch.

Infodude575 (talk)11:17, 22 November 2013
 

I think we already got that bug fix. Hitting a Black/White Dragon has counted for both Field Boss and Dragon training requirements when I tried during training.

Blargel (talk)12:52, 22 November 2013
 

Hitting Langhuris with a meteor in Saga Episode 3 did not count for training.

Blargel (talk)23:18, 19 November 2013
 

for dragon or...raid boss? forgot you have r1 zzz...

ベリサ・マイルスター (talk)23:26, 19 November 2013
 

Bhafel didn't count either, same episode. I'll try G3 final and G8 final next time I see one, but it's doubtful.

Blargel (talk)00:19, 20 November 2013

Okay so my justification for putting "Sagas" is correct thing. I'm pretty sure G8 counts.

ベリサ・マイルスター (talk)00:24, 20 November 2013

I can second this. Someone who is on G8 final dropped me in and I'm just sitting and meteoring Crumena every half hour. It counts toward the r5 attack a field boss training method. QuazarGuy (talk)

QuazarGuy (talk)03:57, 20 November 2013
 

Dear lord, I think I need to get someone to drop me in on a weekend before the 2x magic training event is over then lol.

Blargel (talk)09:25, 20 November 2013
 

Attempting to verify that Crumena works for master title training. I have an alt that can drop me any time now but I'm having trouble targeting Crumena without him aggroing me and doing a variety of stuff that makes it impossible to load meteor on time. QuazarGuy, how did you manage to target Crumena with Meteor?

Blargel (talk)23:31, 21 November 2013
 

Nevermind I got it. Crumena counts as a dragon for training.

I wonder why he works as a field boss too though. Perhaps he shares data from the Red Dragon and the developers only changed his name, hp, and damage?

Blargel (talk)00:43, 22 November 2013
 

I would get on a mount and run away then wait for it to go into a dash, because that means he'll dash again. You can load meteor while it's turning around after the first dash and have it ready by the time he's turning around after his second dash. You fire while he's turning to guarantee a hit. You might have to run away several times while he does rain of thunder, but it's worth it to wait to guarantee the hit. By the time I hit r1, I was killing it every three hits, but it's still faster than waiting for raid bosses and field dragons.

QuazarGuy (talk)13:06, 26 December 2013
 

Lullaby works great.

Meru (talk)13:26, 26 December 2013

How? Lullaby sleep time is 9 sec max and it takes 10 sec to load meteor and a few sec to hit.

QuazarGuy (talk)14:45, 26 December 2013
 

I have rank 8 and it lasts over 20 seconds. No enchants and barely a bard at all. Talent bonus makes it much longer.

Meru (talk)14:51, 26 December 2013
 

A bit late there. I'm already a meteor master, lol. As for lullaby, it works for one hit only because you can't sleep him twice, but I guess you can just leave and come back in to fix that. It also lasts an extra second for every music buff effect you have, so now you can reach almost a full minute of sleep if you're decked out in music buff.

Blargel (talk)16:59, 26 December 2013
 
 
 
  • What would happen if a Vales Shield wearing Giant using Defense gets hit by Meteor Strike, with no reduced damage, and then bathes in the leftover flames with Defense still up?
  • Would Fire Shield have any effect against Meteor Strike?
  • Would Natural Shield (the magic barrier one) have any effect against the leftover flames?
Infodude575 (talk)14:06, 27 November 2013
 
  1. I'm pretty sure that first bullet shouldn't be mentioned...
  2. I'll test shortly
  3. I'll test that 30mins after fire shielding.
ベリサ・マイルスター (talk)14:12, 27 November 2013
 

Cromm did count for attacking a dragon with meteor. It seems that any dragons works except for the saga dragons.

Blargel (talk)20:06, 29 November 2013