Talk:Milletian

How the hell are Milletians far more aggressive and arrogant?

We've shown mercy and sympathy, as we let Golvan live. We've made no actual threats (unlike the Tuatha de Danann, such as Jenna threatening to kill Cichol and Neamhain). We didn't even bother to lift a finger against our enemies first.

Pray tell, how does what Tarlach and Morrighan's words describe our personality?

Well, we have slaughtered millions of more Fomorians than the Tuatha de Dananns... But I wouldn't trust anything Morrighan says. Some of it may be truth but given her reputation for honesty...

i think she is referring to the part in g12:

"didn't you dared to become equal to gods?" "Are you still going to deny the greed within your heart?"

Now that I think about this... Did we ever really want to become Gods, or did Nuadha merely force us down that path...?

The only words put in our mouths were that we rather not be a god if it meant being like Nuadha, so neither no nor yes.

I've put some thought into it for a while. I think we were only fated to do such an act, because of Nuadha (and Nexon).

The quote specifies that if we were to become Gods, then we would have Nuadha's personality and whatnot. It doesn't mean that we did want to be Gods.

Infodude is not a she, and what I said still stands true.

I think Fallen's referring to Morrighan. Why would he refer to me if he's quoting her?

And, didn't we only kill the Fomors because it was an act of Self-defense? They ATTACKED US FIRST! Or so what my mind believes...

No, we attacked the Fomors because we were mislead by Morrighan and people/the descendants of people she influenced.

lolololol Pyrus xDDDDDDD

more like: Ranald KILL THOSE GOBLIN TO BE STRONGER!!!

Goblin: FATHERRR NOOOOO!!!!

daddy goblin: avenge for me... they are.. Mill... Mille...

I really don't think Milletians are naturally aggressive. Just because your in combat doesn't mean your aggressive.

When Cichol (beginning of G11) and Shakespeare appeared before us, we didn't lash out at them. I think we were only being cautious since we believed them as enemies... Although I can't say the same for William when he encountered Cichol, but that was only because he was blinded by love, and "true love means insanity."

If I recall, Milletians are being hunted and killed by Morrighan. I thought we could not die?

I also heard something about Shakespeare damaging the Soul Stream which prevents us from dying or something?

Anyone wanna lighten this up?

From what I know so far, Shakespeare, the first Milletian, broke the Soul Stream. It's like cutting a giant whole through the Great Wall of China. He then altered the Soul Stream to "glitch" Milletians into being Immortal. What Shakespeare foretells Morrighan will do is fix the Soul Stream then eliminate the present Milletians. Beware, most of the current sources of G15 are probably fanonical or opinionated, best to wait until G15 comes to NA to include this.

Sounds like he god-modded...

But that brings up another question: How the hell did he break it, and how the hell did he modify it?

As I said, best to wait until it comes to NA.

I'm pretty sure anyone can become God. Nuadha just chose the Milletian to do so.

However, there's no evidence he can do that. If he did, he could have made EVERY SINGLE HUMAN in the War of Mag Turiedh or w/e into Gods to triumph Fomorians. Plus he admitted to being weak.

It's also most likely a ruse to just get the Milletian to help him become all powerful.

It probably was a ruse. As for the wars, Nuadha didn't have the power of Aton Cimeni's throne back in the wars. And now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure any mortal can become a lower-tier god if they somehow found a method to. (By lower-tier I mean like Morrighan, Nuadha, Neamhain, etc. and not Lymilark, Hymerark, Jeamiderark, and Aton Cimeni.) It may also be that any god can turn a non-god into a god (but not turn them back, which is why Nuadha may have not done so in the wars, to stay in authority). But for now, anything we say is not canonical so lets just leave this out.

Authority? Do Deities really need that?

I mean, Macha quit her job as a Goddess and later wreaked havoc upon Erinn while the Deities did nothing but stare down on their dying world.

She quit her responsibility, yes, but not her goddess-powers. If Nuadha turned every soldier in his army into a god, then they'd all be at his level, be strong enough to overthrow them. (Personally, I think he should've made them all demigods if he had the ability to.)

Ah, right, I musta overlooked that.

Speaking of Demigods, I wonder how the Daols serve HIM AND ONLY HIM.

They're probably just really devoted disciples?

you two make the greatest intellectual debate I ever read. :)

but I dont agree with "ability to become god" because it sound as if you have power to turn yourself into god, rather than from other's help such as Nuadha.

Kevin likes this.

Should I be 'lol'ing at your comments or appreciating them? Or both? :P

Agreed. But I'm not sure if every mortal does or does not have the "potential" to become a god.

I don't really understand what this meant...

The soldiers from the wars were Tuatha de Danann. It is possible that gods can only turn Milletians into gods, but it may also be that Nuadha wanted revenge on the Tuatha de Danann because of the war, so he'd only turn the Milletians. And, of coarse, he may have also been bluffing to the Milletians as you said, and never had the ability to turn anyone into a god. The point is, there's no way of proving anything so lets just leave anything about becoming a god out of this page.

Hold up, didn't Nuadha only want revenge on TdD because they insulted him and left him to die?

Hold up, didn't Nuadha want revenge because the TdD insulted him and left him to die? He coulda just turned them into Gods before any of that happened.

That's assuming he can turn people (specifically Tuatha de Danann) into gods. So, what's your point?

Um... I don't really know...

Perhaps to avoid all of this conflict?

What are you talking about?

lol

so you guys are saying we dont know if Milletian are the "only" one that has potential to become god?

Exactly.

We're also discussing if we don't know if they CAN become Gods as well. We all know that Nuadha turning people into Gods is a lie. Well, unproven but still a lie.

Clearly, no one is turning into Gods.

We don't necessarily know he was telling the truth or not. Right now nobody's becoming gods because we stopped him before he can kill Morrighan then continue on his marry way.

Hm...

Didn't Esras try to become a Goddess via Tabhartas? I don't actually remember where they said "Goddess" since its etched into my brain for some reason...

In any case, that pretty much proves Milletians ARE NOT the only ones to become Gods/Goddesses.

I kind of remember that too, although there's nothing saying Esras is or isn't a Milletian, to my memory. Ignore me if I'm remembering wrong.

Found it.

Also, Esras = Dead, so it's impossible for her to be a Milletian.

Ah, true, forgot that. But that doesn't necessarily mean everyone can. Let's assume she's Tuatha De Danann. That doesn't mean the Partholon, Tir/Fir Bolg, or Fomors can. But, it may be any mortal can as well.

The whole point of this subject was if Milletians were or were not the only ones to become Deities.

Since Esras (who is most likely Tuatha De Danann since she's dead) found a way to transcend to transcend into one of them, it proves that Milletians are not the only ones who can gain such a feat.

"You" in this case is directed at the only editor here, Pyrus. Pretty sure you have had nothing to "confirm" these NPCs as Milletians. If you have, I'd like such findings posted here. According to a comment in the history you believe "They are all Milletians because they can visit the soul stream." < this is not true. According to Duncan in his storyline dialog there are ways to see Nao and the Soul Stream (Spirit Hearing Water). Alternatively, you could just be one of those spirits that the water refers to, which is what Nao is (not a Milletian). Also at the end of the article: "Despite Tarlach's Record, almost all Fomors are Milletians." < this is impossible. Fomors are their one type of spirit, contrasting Tuath de Dannan and Milletians. In light of this I will remove such sections as being speculation. The talk page is where speculation goes.