Talk:Life Drain

Mastery Training

I feel we should add the fact that it trains all 4 elemental mastery skills, it would be useful information for the hybrid alchemists. --SoheiKitsune 18:52, 24 January 2011 (PST)

Description

No English description for this skill yet. I'll put it up when it pops up. --Js16 03:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

In the description it says alchemy mastery increases damage, is this knockback damage only, or does it include absorbtion damage? And if it is the latter, does this mean it also increases the amount the user is healed? --ςαηιτγ¸ ¬_¬ 04:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, is the absorbtion and knockback damage a set amount (will always hit the same amount), or does it vary like all other damages? --ςαηιτγ¸ ¬_¬ 04:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Life drain and Peaca

I was watching a vid (the same one that i found out you can get hit), and noticed that life drain seems to be doing pretty high damage even against the ghosts. i have no idea what her rank is but does life drain ignore defense? here's the vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R8X2U221MM&feature=PlayList&p=6211571BE503D8B7&index=50

she gets hit at around the 5:00 mark, and it was a wight not a ghoul, sorry :P

we might wanna ad WM+life drain to the battle tactics page, since it actually seems practical against slower enemies.--(not-so)Anonymous 11:55, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

HP Drain

I believe Nexon made a typo in the Skill window.

The skill is referred to as Life Drain in:

-the G9 mainstream

-the crystals are called Life Drain Crystals

-the skill requirements

I believe this is sufficient proof to leave Life Drain as the name right now, unless Nexon goes ahead and changes all of the above things explicitly mentioned to HP Drain.

What do you say? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phunkie (talk • contribs) . Please always sign your comments with the button or by typing ~~~~!

I have more evidence supporting my claims. Nexon's strategy guide on the Mabinogi website has a guide on Life Drain, not HP Drain. This is a typo on Nexon's part. I am 99% sure. --Phunkie 05:07, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

On top of that, I bet most characters in the story and characters in the world of Mabinogi dont know what HP is, but they know what Life is and the book on the Healing skill explains about a "life force" people have in this world. So Life Drain makes much more sense overall. --Bryanneo 15:20, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't know why it was changed in the wiki, however. To me it seems very silly. I bet it would have been called the Lief Dran article had Nexon misspelled it as so. ._. --Phunkie 16:43, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

The skill's name is HP Drain in game. Unless it's changed, then it should be left as it is. --Link 03:24, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Japanese Twin Sword Sword. Yes, we go with Nexon's fails, for better or for worse. --- Angevon (Talk) 03:34, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Assault -> Charge. Windbreaker -> Wind Guard. Nexon doesn't want to give us any skills with cool names, so they couldn't have Life Drain. -BladeBlade 12:01, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Rush -> Charge It was even CALLED Rush before the REAL Charge skill came out.--Price 10:36, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

In-game it's HP Drain, but the skill is Life Drain and all of you know that. I am laughing at the Twin Sword Sword thing tho! hahaha --Phunkie 01:34, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Logically, it should stay Life Drain, every character in G9's story refers to it as Life Drain (and they make it seem like a godly alchemy skill as well). The book of Healing known as Healing: The Basics of Magic refers to our HP as "Life Energy" making it much more sense to have this skill be Life Drain since your draining something's "life energy" not their HP --Bryanneo 14:55, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Plus, the strategy guide is on Life Drain. The official Nexon guide, not some fanmade one. But Angevon already explained why. I doubt anyone's actually calling it HP Drain. It'd be silly to do so. --Phunkie 07:50, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Life Drain redirects here. The skill isn't going to lose any awesome points because DevCAT or Nexon effed the English name over...when in use, anyway. It still takes enemies' godly HP and shares a little with you. As far as I see it, whatever the game calls it, we call it the same.--Price 10:36, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

The Specialty of the HP Drain part of Life Drain

Since it ignores Defense, Protection, and Passive Defense when on the HP part of the skill (not including the knockback), it really comes useful to high defense enemies. I mean, how can you not love it when you kill a Black Ship Rat or even damage a white colored Nightmare Humanoid? Anyone else having fun with this skill? Also I can starting to think the Knock Back may not be dependent on the Target's PD at all... Anyone else wants to confirm this? --Miyuna 04:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I do recall seeing the explosion effect of HP drain activating a monster's magic passive defence, but it's pretty foggy and i'm not 100% sure but i think it was still knocked back normally. --Bryanneo 14:50, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

No, that's false. Mana deflector activates 100% of the time at any level. I spammed LD on Golden Mask Ghosts (level 2 PD of everything) and got no Ping effect on any knock-back. It's either a Melee knock-back (which would make absolutely no sense lol) or it's ignores PD. I can't confirm it--since I can yield no physical evidence--but I've field-tested, and knock-back did not take any effect from PDs.--Price 10:25, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

So either way, it's safe to say you can use Life Drain against a passive defence monsters and be safe because it ignores PD. --Bryanneo 15:14, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Aye. The only thing it does not ignore is Advanced Heavy Stander. The knock-back does not occur on enemies such as Dragons or Claimh Solas.--Price 20:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Stamina

I'm quite positive that rank 8 HP Drain takes more stamina than 4. As I've said before, I spammed LD in Karu Glowing Spider and ran out of stamina VERY quickly. I think I clocked rank 8's stamina usage at 20, which is a large sacrifice in stamina. This might need further inspection. Could anyone in the lower ranks check? (Loading the skill takes stamina, not the actual usage, so you won't be wasting crystals. Just load LD and see what your stamina drops to.)--Price 21:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I can confirm this even with r9 life drain that it consumes 20 stamina. I'll update the table, dunno how it is for r5+ so I'll leave it to others. --Miyuna 22:16, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

lol, I looked in skillleveldetail.xml for Life_Drain, and it said 4 stam for every rank, but then by accident I found Life_Drain_alchemy, i guess the stats in the chart were taken from monster life drain. For Life_Drain_Alchemy, the stam uses listed are
all From Novice to Rank 1, in order: 0, 3, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 13, 15, 18, 24, 32, 36, 41, 45, 60.
That sound about right? --Sozen Cratos Focker 05:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

That looks like the AP list. Look again, please. P.S., rank 9 and 8 have the same stamina usage.--Price 09:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh you're right, sry about that. I'll get the stam list tonight when i get home tonight, i can't seem to find the unpacker on my laptop..--Sozen Cratos Focker 19:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

nvm, just got it. here's the stam list: 0, 3, 6, 10, 12, 15, 18, 21, 24, 26, 29, 32, 35, 38, 42, 45. Does that look right? --Sozen Cratos Focker 20:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that looks about right. I re-tested r8 and the stam useage is at 24. ...r1's scary.--Price 06:20, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh come on, I have to be the one to edit the chart now? xD --Miyuna 19:09, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I would have done it myself as soon as i saw his confirmation lol --Sozen Cratos Focker 20:46, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

The Knockback ignores even Defense, Prot, and PD?

I am starting to feel that the knockback damage isn't being affected at all by the enemy's defense. I feel like my damage is very consistent. --Miyuna 03:45, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

The damage done by the draining of HP is consistent to me too but i dont notice the damage of the knockback effect, maybe their both consistent? --Bryanneo 14:17, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Attack Race Guards

If the skill ignores defence and protection, would'nt it be the only skill able to kill elf or giant guards? --Zaros 16:49, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

You can't target them. --Miyuna 17:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

• Does anything affect Life Drain's HP absorption? Specifically referring to the amount of HP absorbed, not the damage.
• Does Guard Cylinder Mastery's damage decrease have any effect on HP absorption?

I healed the same amount with just a guard cylinder as with both a guard cylinder and a cylinder on an ancient Sea Troll, and the amount healed is just as the rank data says I should be. I only heal half of what I'm supposed to heal when I drain a red dragon, and I think the black dragon, too. Nothing else I remember though. Not quite sure what would be affecting that. Even girgashiy gives you the full drain. Never life drained the other dragons.

So, I had EvG on and used Life Drain on a friend. She's on G1, level is ~200. After using it on her, she seems to have gained Life Drain and can fully use it. What's with this?

Bump.

Tried on my elf and giant who didn't have life drain. PVP didnt work and neither did elf giant pvp.

I'm no Alchemist. However, I do know that Life Drain uses ALL the 4 Alchemy Elements. Do they affect Life Drain in any way?

Wind Alchemy, Earth Alchemy Mastery, Fire Alchemy and Water Alchemy all say they increase the effects of life drain.

It doesn't say anywhere on the Life Drain though. It should, for consistency.

It says:

• Alchemy Mastery will only increase the knockback damage of the skill.
  • This is calculated as Knockback Damage * {1 + 3*[Alchemy Mastery Bonus + (Water Alchemy Mastery Bonus + Fire Alchemy Mastery Bonus + Wind Alchemy Mastery Bonus + Earth Alchemy Mastery Bonus)/4]}.

on the Life Drain page.

It only says "Alchemy Mastery". Hahaha.

Well I have a different, but related question.

Since Life Drain uses all elements, would that make Life Drain be affected by elemental cylinders? Water Cylinder grants you about 15% bonus damage for water, but Fire, Earth and Wind has a penalty as well, of 5% each.

Life Drain isn't affected by elemental cylinders, whether you can make sense out of it or not.

I feel as if the draining damage rate is a lot more than 35%. I have Rank 1 Life Drain and about 1,100 HP and I drain Black Grizzly Bears dry while in near-deadly.

So, I was draining the black dragon right, and I saw it only healed me half way of my ranks healing. I'm rank 5 and I only healed up, like, 165. Are some monsters resistant to the drain effect? Or does it do full damage, but only heals for half? It's really hard for me to tell since all the ones that I found that do this have millions of hp, and it's sort of hard to tell. Monsters I've seen do this so far is black dragon and red dragon. I have to drain the raptors get to a full heal out.

Well, I got some more data. Protection and stuff definitely isn't a factor in lowering the amount healed, but protection definitely seems to be affecting the knock back damage. On white poisonous snake my knock back damage did ~640 damage, but on amethyst golems it did ~240 and the same with sea trolls.

Which damage part is affected by HP? Drain or Knockback, or both?

Drain. Though you don't heal more.

Not sure if this goes here but, today while I was being life drained in Lingering Darkness by the boss, I used trans while I was being life drained. The life drain was canceled and afterwards I found I was stuck in a life drain state, where if I try to heal, it keeps draining me to deadly and I am permanently slowed to a walk. Is this bug well known? Also as a sidenote, it seems like a useful way to train heal.

It's a somewhat known bug, I think.

I changed the knockback formula based on the following information I collected.

skills of tester: r1 life drain, r1 Alchemy mastery, rD water alchemy, rF earth alchemy, rF wind alchemy, rF fire alchemy

regular cylinder dmg: 1325

regular cylinder and cressida: 1524

Tower cylinder damage: 2405

Tower Cylinder with Cressida: 2766