Talk:Lance Charge

Equation is as followed for max distance possible (Base LC damage % + [lance charge charge dmg lvl x 4] + [ lance charge main target lvl x 2.5] )x(1.2+[0.03 x horse back charge damage lvl)]) x (1+{1400 + (80+[ horse back distance lvl *20] )/1000})

Earlier the details said it was half the 3 sec target stun time, which is 1.5, but the summary says 2, which isn't half. Which one is it?

With all the weirdness of distance in this game, how the hell do you find the number that goes in there?

Where do we get a lot of numbers. More specifically the hoeing item %. http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Hoeing I know for ice spear wand and no wand range I just took the numbers we already had and matched em up. Well there are also some skills that say their range. Maybe a certain pickaxe found the numbers.

I'll dig around.

Lemme guess, JP wiki?

Ehh couldn't find anything. I'll keep looking though.

The pickaxe digs up the numbers, in-game testing determines what those numbers are for.

Was that a response to me or Meru?

I know we get numbers from the pickaxe, I didn't know it could get numbers from chickens and flowers.

oh...well damn.

ANYWAY lets get back to the point at hand: how do you find the number that goes into the Distance part in the formula?

JP wiki has the same formula we do

That's not answering the question...

oops, I misread that...Umm, you'd have to use a lot of estimation :s it's not like there's stuff you can do without modifications to actually find it.

What I'm concerned is if it uses single digits (1 meter) or hundred digits (1 meter = 100)...

On this wiki, "Distance" is what we called the game's base unit before we confirmed it was cm.

How much of an increase we're talking?

Server-sided. :(

blegh...I'll find out when I master it.

looks like an additional 100 width...

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WTF?! HOW?!

Well it looks like the person is using one of his friends to activate a Combo Card, then there's Battlefield Overture, Mastered Support Shot,DK Trans, some Demi-God Artifacts I assume, Lance with Elemental/Lance Charge Damage Reforge, Lance Charge Damage Gloves, Lance Charge Distance Boots, and probably fire elements (the snake is an ice Element)

I don't know how much max damage you'd need and what the exact multipliers would do, though.

What about mount bonus? The guy's got Sprite Wings on.

Wouldn't that still count as being on foot? I don't think a Sprite gives a big bonus other than a few points of Max Damage depending on it's age...

I have no idea...

lol that's ridiculous. Imagine how much he would hit if he was on horseback. He probably has capped str (1500) in trans + demi as well as +6 lance...and not to mention crazy reforges. That along with support shot master and battlefield overture master, etc. Still shouldn't THAT much damage to be honest. Strange things a foot.

I still think that Sprite had something to do with it...

The sprite just adds def/prot on mounting the player. the damage is most likely from r1 reforges, the bonus from a critical hit. support shot, piercing complete maximum piercing enchants, trans and the crit from the step 6 upgrades. It's weird though...hardly anyone uses a sprite.

You forgot Combo Card.

Maximum Elemental Reforge is actually 2x elemental. He's also probably got Lance Charge Damage, Lance Mastery Max Damage, Combat Mastery Max Damage, and a ton of Max Damage Reforge. Throw in a max level overture and a master support shot and Bone Dragon Chip along with a combo card and you've got yourself a bonus damage multiplier that is over 10x.

At 1500 STR, and with a weapon max of 130(+20 +18) you can technically hit well over 11k crit with Lance charge with no enchants or reforges.

You can hit well over 11k yeah, but with the enchants and reforges would that REALLY push it to 624k? No, I don't really think so. 24k, sure, seems pretty possible. 62k? Yeah...maybe. But 624k? No, too high that it seems unreasonable - especially since he was not mounted.

• shrugs*

Then you don't understand compounding.

How exactly does one get 1.5k Str without Enchants or Reforges?

By being a giant, capping out on STR skills, and leveling to over 200, then using food to fill in the tiny bit missing? KR has over 100 more STR available than we do.

A bit of a late reply to this thread, but I just did a bit of research on the Sprite, and I think the results are self-explanatory. [Here]

But does it also let you charge farther? That's where a big part of the lance charge's damage comes from - the farther away you are from the target monster(s) the more damage it does...and mounts increase that distance.

Judging from the distance, it looks like it hit at minimum distance require for usage.

...you can't tell that from a still picture. The distance in the screenshot is only the normal knockback distance an enemy moves when you hit them with lance charge The distance right there is way below the minimum you can use lance charge.

Don't forget, you knock them back after hitting. It looks like they are in the air. The video though, appears minimum distance.

The video, yes, you can tell the distance. However, if you had looked, I wasn't talking about that at all. I replied specifically to Littlesnow asking if the sprite increased the distance as a normal mount did.

And dammit, you're still horribly wrong. The video of the korean person using lance charge was certainly NOT at the minimum distance :/

I'm not exactly able to say much about my distance, I have rank E Lance Charge and even if there was a difference in distance, I didn't notice it.

Then again, 200 Distance isn't very noticeable to begin with.

It's 400 different if you're mounted or not. Since I don't have the a sprite, I asked you :)

It's easy to tell if it gives the full mounted bonus by loading lance charge w/o the pet, trying to get at the max distance you can use the skill...then letting the pet mount you and see if the distance is increased.

I'll take a look at it if I ever get the chance to, maintenance is on its way to the 16th hour.

Ehh I was looking at something else when I said the video was at minimum distance lol x.x;;

What the hell? Sprites add additional damage? Didn't know that O-o...

I assume it's because they count as being mounted, but sprites have the benefit of allowing other skills too, that must be why the Koreans use them with Lance Charge.

Great, now can someone test for the owls?

They use "Rest", not mount.

And they are un-"rested" once you attack, iirc.

Doesn't hurt to test.

Surprise, surprise, I finally took the time to test these. It appears that the Sprite does affect the maximum distance.

As for testing Owls, I actually got the same result, they also increase the distance, apparently.

So it indeed didn't hurt to test!

Did it allow you to launch the attack with the owl?

Yes it did, and it definitely increased my damage as well.

lol what thell...this doesn't even deserve the whole 2 words. Now getting sprites is encouraged for maximum lance potential.

Yeah, pretty much since you don't have to unmount the pet or anything to use every other skill :x

Sprites and Owls, when "mounted" on the player counts as being mounted. It adds to the benefits that you can normal attack and do lance charge normally.

The only thing to watch out for is being knocked back and down with the owl/sprite, but pressing the mount key helps with that.

Now what about Commerce Partners? I guess they don't allow for any attacks unlike Sprites?

You can't attack nor LC with CPs. I'm pretty sure Giants w/ Humans can't either.

Yeah, Giant w/Humans is a given since Giants can't do anything except summon pets and move around with a Human on them. Was just wondering if CPs worked because they seem to act similar to a Sprite Pet, but my question is answered already.

I'm aware of Heavy Stander's impact point. I want to know if it will work regularly if hit in the Charge's path.

I tested Lance Charging though a group of zombies and there was no major consciousnesses as far as the side targets went. Enemies with Counterattack loaded on the other hand will knock you on the flat of your back, even if the Counter is from not from the main target. (can you say 'ouch'?)

Proof through the Lance

How to Get Quest	Obtain Rank Novice Lance Charge
Briefing	Run your enemies down with Lance Charge. Do not look back! Just charge. - Arawnen
Objectives	Talk to Aranwen. Use Lance Charge 30 times. Talk to Aranwen.
Rewards	10000 Experience Points

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\#mabinogi says Tigers and Dragons can't be used as Lance Charge mounts. Someone test and clarify allowed Chargeable mounts?

Tigers cannot be used as Lance Charge Mounts; :[ I just tested this right now.

Horse and horse-like only. If you hold the lance upright in normal mode on a mount, you can lance charge on it.

I'm ranking lance charge right now, and I have rank 8. I could help fill in the blanks as to what you have to do to train this skill, but I don't know how to do it. Can anyone help?