User talk:Julia

I am not quite sure why you keep avoiding mentions, advice, tips and concerns regarding your uploads, but please consider reviewing the Image Policy- again.

You can also go here: https://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Mabinogi_World_Wiki:Wiki_Tips_for_New_Editors#How_to_Get_100.25_Quality_Perfect_Pictures_in_Accordance_with_Wiki_Policy

and here: https://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/User:LexisMikaya/Optimizing_Pictures_to_Wiki_Standards

for much more thorough and fully explained ways to take more acceptable and quality images without being bothered, or getting your original uploads replaced...

We've had too many talks about this and I am genuinely trying to help you, if you wish to continue helping out and adding images to the wiki.

I have noticed recently, which I have said directly to you, to please crop out your body, and only crop to the item you are trying to capture.

For example, for shoes, just crop the shoes, not your body.

Now, I now know you absolutely know how to do this, but I don't know why/if you are choosing when and when not to do this...?

You clearly did for the front view of these shoes:

https://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/archive/6/6f/20200929235546%21Modern_School_Shoes_%28F%29_Equipped_Front.png

But for some reason had to leave your entire body for the angled shot: https://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/archive/d/d2/20200929235433%21Modern_School_Shoes_%28F%29_Equipped_Angled.png

At first I thought... Maybe you were having a difficult time cropping for an angled shot, because as a beginner, I did myself...

However, I realized I was wrong to guess that because you did the opposite here:

I've also mentioned a couple times to avoid poses, which is super easy to avoid, by just putting a Tailoring Kit, or a Handicraft Kit in your hand, it will null out any idle or Stance Card so you will stand straight and stationary.

Another mention, which I've said before, the wiki is not a contest or not for popularity... While full body photos are one thing when it is completely unnecessary (unless capturing an outfit, robe or set), getting photos with friends is a big no-no...

Do not do this either.

I'm literally only trying to help you take better photos that follow the policy & guidelines,

but do understand that if you don't follow them, your photos can be replaced, and after that it isn't my responsibly or concern.

There can be consequences to losing that photo, so if you want to be on the wiki, that's truly fantastic!

But please hear me out.

The wiki is a resource, not social media for selfies.

too much info at once D;

Honey, this is literally just everything I have said to you on discord, but more thorough.

There isn't that much, and it's just a reminder of what you should be avoiding, and what you can be doing to improve.

We're all adults here... I think...?

TLDR; Don't bother contributing then if you're not going to follow the policy, and don't be upset and sad if your stuff gets changed because you don't follow policy to begin with...

Better?

I told you many times before, I don't mind having my images replaced with better stuff. I am just glad the Wiki pages are being updated, since I prefer to be inconspicuous and keep with my friends.

If you're using words like inconspicuous, please understand the definition...

in·con·spic·u·ous

/ˌinkənˈspikyo͞oəs/

not clearly visible or attracting attention; not conspicuous.

Your uploads sort of... Say otherwise, like you're intentionally trying to draw attention to yourself, and the attention you're getting I'm sure isn't what you intended...

In these revisions, you can clearly see how simple it is to crop to the item you are trying to show, rather than using unnecessary full body images.

If you were not trying to draw attention to yourself, you would not take photos like this...

https://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles&offset=20200901232918&user=Julia

https://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/File:Scholar_Cap_and_Wig_(F)_Equipped_Angled.png

https://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/File:Modern_School_Shoes_(F)_Equipped_Angled.png

https://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/File:Floral_Regalia_Bracelet_(F)_Equipped_Front.png

https://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/File:Assassin%27s_Leather_Gloves_(F)_Equipped_Angled.png

I also think if you didn't mind images being replaced, then I don't know why you would feel the need to DM me on discord to tell me my friend has replaced your images...

[Link removed]

I'll like to mention, that friendship amongst users is completely irrelevant to revisions or changes, because they're just doing their job, and replacing images that do not fit the policy.

Wow, you're so toxic. I was trying to thank you and your friend for your efforts. Clearly I shouldn't have bothered.

Setting aside your toxicity, clearly you don't retain memories well either. We have been through this already that I was uploading images as placeholders until a better shot was uploaded. Not only that, you have clearly requested that my "placeholder" message not be inserted with every image upload I made.

If you can't remember things, please don't try to pick a fight, and act like an "adult", like you hope to be.

It's good to know you changed your tone.

Though, try to be less of a hypocrite when it comes to retaining information, after multiple times I've tried to make suggestions and help you with your contributions and quality of your uploads that you continued to ignore.

I'm sorry you think being direct, and making you aware of things you can do to improve is being toxic...? My bad.

Also, if we've been through this already, then read that again, as if we've been through something mentioned to you from not just myself, but other uses to follow policy guidelines, but you don't seem to understand, it's probably best to not bother at all.

Taking screenshots of items is easy, especially if you obtain items fairly quickly (as seen in your uploads), and it's also easy to take screenshots /before/ you dye them, but you apparently have no interest in the main intent of the wiki being a resource, and instead, think it's like a public display of what items you have and how pretty they are. Again, that is not what the wiki is about.

The wiki is not for fun all of the time, it's actual work, too.

It's not to be treated like a social network like facebook or instagram, either.

https://puu.sh/Gy5d9/d3214a7c27.png

https://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/User_talk:Julia#Julia_set.3F_Julia_description.3F_44101

Sorry again that you misunderstood following rules, suggestions, and direction, the many times I was polite to you, as toxic.

And that it had to come to this.

Why does your memory keep failing you? We had already gone through this before. I explained to you that I was manually editing the data sheet for items off a template and had put in CAPS for places I was editing. You told me to use the Mabinogi Data Helper which would rip item data directly from Mabinogi game files. Since then, there have been no future incidents. What more do you want, aside from trying to be toxic? I also went over this with you, Kadalyn, and Kett. I thought we were over this.

Please keep in mind, this wiki is a resource aimed to help the community, and not to nitpick at a particular community member. I have been uploading images because there were missing pictures, and we're not updated for months. And, because my images (as you pointed it) were not wiki policy compliant, you said they would be okay as placeholders until a better image was uploaded. Normally, an upright person would commit to what they say; it makes me wonder your upbringing.

Unfortunately, I have no intentions to hack/mod my client like you for the purpose of creating wiki pictures.

Being a part of the wiki, it would be foolish of me to use mods to achieve content to contribute. Heck I know it doesn't matter, but I don't.

It would contradict what I stand for being a part of the wiki in the first place since mods are highly discouraged for wiki contributors and I've know this for years so it would be silly to do it now.

On a side note then, I would like to apologize. For being a little out of hand and aggressive. Genuinely I wanted to help but unfortunately I was too focused on being right and in control and I got a little vicious. I didn't mean to come as condescending, and I am sorry.

It really isn't like me to try and have problems with people in a community like Mabi because I enjoy being that person people can ask for help.

I won't bother ya anymore about this.

Hi, I noticed you were moving some item pages around to new names (such as the Raspberry set), and I just wanted to point out that moving the main page itself will not move a lot of the information with it. The item's Base Stats and Information table doesn't automatically get moved to the new name, and neither do the front/back/side preview images, so please be mindful of that to ensure that all of these details make it to the newly renamed item page. : )

Thanks. Yes, I only found out images could be 'moved' too, on my last page move. I guess Base Stat and Info tables are the same?

Correct, for those tables, they use templates and you'd need the template's data page to rename them so they work with the new item's wiki page.

So if you're moving a page from Old_Item_Page to New_Item_Page, you'd need to go to Template:DataOld_Item_Page and move it to Template:DataNew_Item_Page.

Why are you so tall?

The truth is, I am actually a really short 9-year old; but because I have stretched the images for the screenshots I have been taking, it makes it seem like I'm actually very tall. But it's actually all a lie.

Wow? Really?

yes, really. This is the true story.

You are nuts.

No you!

Couldn't be.

But it's true. The internet never lies.

You must be smoking something strong.

yes, I'm high on life!

Please hook me up!!!

I don't really understand why you're doing it, but please don't add your name to drop lists and descriptions and etc for any reason. Please leave them blank if you don't know the real information. You're not allowed to put your name in main spaces for one (e.g. sell lists), but also adding false information even as a joke or a placeholder, even if it's clearly false, isn't allowed.

umm??? what are you talking about?

Fleur's Grass Heels Template:DataFleur's Wig Template:DataKatell Outfit (F)] Julia set and many other such examples which have been removed already.

~ will respond directly in PM ~

"Removed helmet not part of outfit."

Just to clarify on this, the reason why the helmet was used to not cover up anything of the outfit I had a long hair still back when I took that screenshot.

I can admire going through and adding images to a lot of places that still need images, but do note that a lot of the images I'm seeing you upload are a bit off from the wiki's image policy, particularly avoidance of black/white or any colors that would desaturate, or start to interfere with the more delicate textures.

Anemki pointed this out earlier in July, and I'll reinforce it myself.

Sorry, the helmet just seemed to look like it was part of the outfit.

Please confirm that the black you are specifically mentioning does not seem to interfere with those delicate textures for that outfit. You are free to revert to your version if you think otherwise. Thanks.

Also, I uploaded images of my dyed clothes because there were missing many missing images, to act as a 'placeholder' until a better image is uploaded. Please let me know if I should stop doing this.

If there weren't images already uploaded for the outfit it's okay if they're pure black etc, as a placeholder like you said. If you can add [[Category:NeedPicture]] <!-- pure black --> (change the comment as needed) to those pages though, that would be great. ^^

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Please make sure to not have a status effect when taking images.

Okay. Will get rid of next time. Thanks.

Bump https://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/File:Dashing_Pirate_Outfit_(F)_Equipped_Back.png

Indoor lighting much preferred too, check out the image policy here: https://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Mabinogi_World_Wiki:Policy#Images

ok! Will make future shots indoors. ;)

Hi! I thought I should let you know, that for the future, if when doing photos for clothing on the wiki, try doing it before you fully dye things, given if you use Black and/or White. The reason for this, is because some clothing comes with fixed pieces in those colours, and also that using a variety of colours is for the purpose of distinguishing which part(s) can be dyed.

Also, try and take photos indoors, specifically the Dunby school. It's perfect lighting, and is great for zooming!

You should also consider not wearing /other/ obscuring clothing, such as tails and wigs that may cover the item you are trying to capture, specifically here: [[1]]

If you own some shorter wigs, like an Annick, Pihne, Flamenco, or Steamy Hot Spring, they're great for hiding long hair and focusing on the clothing. The wiki is a resource, so keep that in mind when taking certain shots, making sure all parts of the clothing can be seen and not covered by tails and such. Thanks!