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Fragment of a discussion from Talk:Wiki Home

There are Shadow Missions in the Shadow Realm, and 'Shadow Missions' not in the Shadow Realm?

Shadow missions is just a term for a mission taking place in the canonical Erinn that we normally don't play in, the Erinn where Tarlach is not still just a bear in Sidhe Sneacta.

But you're kinda right. Shadow Realm Shadow Missions give you a separate quest for that mission that prevents you from entering any other shadow realm shadow mission. Maybe we can come up with a different term for the Saga missions.

Oneris (talk)13:07, 17 August 2013

Why come up with a term for JUST Saga Missions? How is that different than just suggesting the term "Mission"? Also, Theatre Missions and Shadow Missions interfere with each other too, so do Party Quests since that's what a mission is, a Party Quest, just not in an item scroll form. Also, what exactly was your point in that middle line? Shadow missions are in the shadow realm, hence the Shadow part.

Pyro - (Talk)23:02, 17 August 2013
 

The middle line was using the term 'shadow missions' in the meaning of Saga missions. It was originally going to have a qualifier that the Shadow world was also an example of 'an Erinn that we don't normally play in', but that line somehow got cut.

Oneris (talk)12:35, 18 August 2013
 

Yes but that would be an assumption, whereas its well established its called as Shadow Mission because it takes place in the Shadow Realm. The "Shadow World" is a specific placed outlined in G9-11 (maybe 12 too?), not a name for anywhere that takes place in a instanced world or outside of the overworld.

Pyro - (Talk)12:50, 18 August 2013
 

G12 has Shadow Realm too, but Falias is considered Shadow Mission and doesn't even take place in the Shadow Realm.

Infodude575 (talk)12:58, 18 August 2013

That wasn't in question, what was in question was if G12's story talks of the Shadow Realm.

Pyro - (Talk)12:59, 18 August 2013
 

Too much wall of text makes it hard to follow what's going on.

Infodude575 (talk)13:02, 18 August 2013
 

...so much ambiguity now.

まそっぷ ! (talk)13:23, 18 August 2013
 

Does anything in the story say weather or not the shadow realm is the same "realm" as the "another world" whose Tir and Bangor you go to for G1 and G3?

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)01:51, 19 August 2013
 

To my knowledge no, but G16 mentioned something along the lines that the other world and the shadow realm, along with scathach beach and metus, deteriorated from the soul stream. I THINK G16 refers to them as separate locations.

Pyro - (Talk)07:16, 19 August 2013
 

The shadow Realm was a product of the Caliburn and existed due to its abuse.

まそっぷ ! (talk)10:40, 19 August 2013
 

I thought Cichol told Shakespeare that it was also the result of the Soul Stream?

Infodude575 (talk)10:56, 19 August 2013
 

You'd think so but Leymore/Cai clearly says they wanted to get rid of the Shadow Realm by returning the Caliburn. Unfortunately that was not the case.

まそっぷ ! (talk)11:00, 19 August 2013
 

Except its still there in G12 for some reason...

Infodude575 (talk)12:13, 19 August 2013
 

It's something that can't be undone.

まそっぷ ! (talk)12:57, 19 August 2013
 

So, for all we know, shadow missions might not be the only time the player enters the shadow realm.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)14:09, 19 August 2013

Where did that come from? At the same logic (if I'm understanding correctly), Manus's Shop in Dunbarton could be the Shadow Realm which it is obviously not.

Pyro - (Talk)15:02, 19 August 2013
 

Manus's shop is assumed to be the same realm, but both Shadow Realm and AnotherWorld/fakeTirNaNog are a separate from, but mostly identical to Erin/realTirNaNog.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)15:14, 19 August 2013
 

Good you understand that, so what's your point?

Pyro - (Talk)15:26, 19 August 2013
 

My point is that the zombie field may be part of the same "world" as shadow Tara.(and that bringing up the Manus thing was kinda meaningless)

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)15:56, 19 August 2013
 

Yes, we do not know if the Shadow Realm and Another World is or is not the same world, or if either are the same world as that which takes place in Vindictus. Sorry for my misunderstanding

Pyro - (Talk)17:09, 19 August 2013
 

Well there's times that the Shadow mission is just a casual meeting.

まそっぷ ! (talk)14:14, 19 August 2013