Talk:Grandmaster Mission

I think this article should be split between the two different versions. The information right now is mixing up both versions and some of it is simply incorrect, such as "Attempting the Mission the 1st and 2nd times successfully will spawn a single enemy per Wave. Attempting the Mission the 3rd and above times successfully spawn multiple enemies per Wave." You get a single enemy per wave on the 1 player mission and multiple enemies per wave on the 4 player mission. Whether you get the 1 player or 4 player version is randomly chosen when you accept the first test.

Definitely didn't get 1 enemy per wave when I first accepted my combat grandmaster mission. It was about 15 enemies were per wave...all of them had a a few very strong NPCs in them too. In fact, everybody I talked about the combat one said it was many, many enemies their first (and every time). They all said they got the 4 player version of the quest.

In my experience, the 4-player mission is more common than 1 player mission. However, my experience also tells me that Mabinogi hates me (case in point: I failed an Oblivion burn AND a Restored burn at 81% in a row). It's most probable that there's a 50/50 chance of getting either version.

The 4-player one definitely does seem more common. And yeah, the % on a lot of things seems screwed up. Anything to do with enchants as well as upgrading to blue/red. It might say 50% or even 45% but it seems way lower than that for me...

Almost 10-years since this post, but I agree and have tried to implement the split. Just flagging that the few times I've run 4-player the others in my party kill everything too quickly for me to understand what is happening, so my knowledge of how how 4-player operates is pretty thin. Some of the comments I've put in the 4-player section of this page are just things I've copied from the existing material and I cannot vouch for its accuracy. In particular: "The difficulty of the mission scales to the party leader's total level." Sounds a bit odd to me, but I guess it could be true.

Something else on this page that looks odd are the expandable sections listing mobs. What's the point of having two alphabetical list of all non-boss mobs (solo and party) and two alphabetical lists of boss mobs when all that information is then presented again in two list of mobs subdivided by wave? Surely the last two lists are the most useful and render the earlier 4 lists obsolete? At the moment the lists are actually inconsistent because some editors (probably me included) added extra finds to one list without realising they also should appear in another. Should we delete the first 4 lists and just keep the last 2?

I kept a strict log of three of my attempts at the 1-player version of this mission (you only fight seven, not 10 as the article currently reads). These are the orders that I got from the three attempts:

1. [Amateur Student] Lassar
2. [Apprentice Troubadour] Sinead
3. [Senior Ranger] Kusina
4. [Apprentice Warrior in Crush] Padan
5. [Apprentice Holy Knight] Collen
6. [Wise Fighter] Goblin Fighter
7. [Master Druid] Tarlach

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1. [Amateur Student] Lassar
2. [Apprentice Commander] Tethra
3. [Apprentice Ranger] Caitin
4. [Amateur Warrior] Trefor
5. [Master Executioner] Krug
6. [Wise Fighter] Goblin Fighter
7. [Master of Sewing] Arachne

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1. [Master Maid] Older Girl Next Door
2. [Fledgling Battle Alchemist] Heledd
3. [Master of Reading] Arzhela
4. [Apprentice Warrior in Crush] Padan
5. [Senior Vanguard] Nerys
6. [Wise Fighter] Goblin Fighter
7. [Master Marksman] Drone

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Due to the multiple appearance of certain NPCs in very specific rounds (just like in that Auction Event some months back), I have reason to believe that certain NPCs appear only in certain rounds. For example, in his appearances, Padan only came as opponent 4 and not before or after; same with Goblin Fighter in round 6 and Lassar in round 1.

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ADDENDUM: So considering the times I've played this solo mission out, this seems to be the specific order of the NPC talent type you face from my estimation (for the first six opponents only):

1. Random Mage
2. Random Alchemist
3. Random Archer
4. Random Warrior
5. Random Lancer
6. Random Fighter

For any of the above, a monster can replace any of the above types (I found Tethra instead of an alchemist on Round 2, an Incubus instead of a mage in a Round 1, and an Ogre Executioner instead of a Warrior on Round 4. As far as I can tell, there is no way to predict the final boss judging from the previous NPCs.

Applies in the 4 person mission as well, there is a strict order of spawns.

Learned from SPAMMING for transformations.

Yeah i've noticed that as well. Seems like the NPC spawn is too random to tell what the outcome boss is. I think the boss is randomed, because i've gotten easy and hard bosses sometimes when i was solo'ing the missions. But your 6 Type's theory sounds about right since ive noticed that myself (a different type of enemy) but never really pin pointed what it is.

Just wanted confirmation so we know what to do with the monster templates: it's always hard difficulty?

yes its hard difficulty. All the talents that have the grandmaster mission require you to output at least 1k ap to be able to become a master in your talent and accept the grandmaster sms mission.

In that case, outputting 1k AP for the Master Rank =/= at least 1k total level. I have multiple friends who are under 1k yet have reached Grandmaster, so I removed that bit. o/