User talk:Dramartistic/Archive

Archived goodies. Wewt.

Monster Table

I wouldn't work too much on that --- I have a feeling the page will end up template-ed eventually, once the conversion to the new monster template is complete. But thanks for the work so far. ---Angevon 17:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

WTH file

It's a player eating food that has a cutscene. ---Angevon 16:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

oh o.o" Weird o.o" is that the only time that little bubble thing will pop up?--♫ѕτя♪ (I can't find an "a" D:) 17:03, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

table

There is a help page for the wiki overall here. there are also some templates that might help you also such as Template:CharacterInfobox for your not-as-important people or Template:Character for your main. i would be glad to help you in any way i could (i am still kind of new also). and i never got a food cut scene... when do you get it? slayer1o1 23:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The food cutscene is from eatting the food you can get as a prize from turning in a lucky coupon from a fortune cookie from a cookie tree into the weird cat in Cheif Duncan's house.. or whatever his name is. If that made any sense, this will make more.

Cookie tree > fortune cookie > (eat it) lucky coupon > talk to the cat in cheif's house > get some kind of a food as a reward > eat it > cutscene. It's really short, like 10 seconds, and kinda funny, but it gets annoying after a while because you get it each time you eat w/e food you get. --♫ѕτя♪ (I can't find an "a" D:) 20:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

You get a food cutscene from any five star food. --Aramet 20:56, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

-shrug- thats just how I got it. and I hardly cook, when I do, I don't bother eating it cuz then I get fat. Might as well delete all of the above.--♫ѕτя♪ (I can't find an "a" D:) 22:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Issuing a Check

Quote: What's with the first person narrative thing?--♫ѕταя♪ 21:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

The way you responded to me was rude. Next time try wording corrections like this: "I see you may be in error using the first person. Please correct. Thank you and good luck!" I swear, since the Jerry Springer Show not a single youth knows how to be polite.

Awesome, what's/who's Jerry Springer? And I'm sorry for not being 100% cheery and sparkly all the time, thats just how I am.--♫ѕταя♪ 21:45, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:Question :D

Hm. I can ask Irjustman, I suppose. But I noticed that a lot of monsters had redirects, and others didn't, so I figured it'd be better to give the rest of the monsters their respective redirects. --Aramet 18:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I guess I wasn't thinking very well when I figured it'd be easier to have redirects for each monster. I thought that if there was a redirect for each monster, then we could take out the [[page#monster|monster]] and just have [[monster]] on whatever page that lists them. Then, if the monster suddenly got moved to a new location, we'd just have to change the redirect instead of going through every page and changing the coding. I also assumed it'd be better for someone looking for a specific monster (like some people look for Skeleton Wolves/Hellhounds on wolf or dog). With clean-ups every Friday now, more space is provided on the server, too. --Aramet 18:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I removed the excess parts of most of the monster links on List of Monsters. Now the page loads faster (at least, for me it does) and the warning that says the page has exceeded 30KB that I would get when editing the entire page is no longer displayed. :) --Aramet 21:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean species like Manchurian Bear, Grizzly Bear, or Mushroom Spider should have redirects? Or that the species listed under the AI verification on the Monster Table should be links? --Aramet 22:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Alchemy Ball

The center symbol may just be the symbol for alchemy in general, but honestly, I don't know. I just found the pic and thought it looked pretty. ---Angevon 20:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Seumas G1 Image

I moved it to File:SeumasG1.png so it complies with the policy. =P --Aramet 21:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC) Oh okay. Thanks~ I had to go, so I didnt have enough time to fix it up ._." Eheh.. ^^" -Star

Small note

Grammar, not grammer.--Mystickskye 23:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I guess my message goes in the "Small note" section..? D: But yeah, hi there. I'm a superfragilisticexpialadocioustypofailomglolwutserialkillerontehloosewdfeggovandersmexyubersauce NUB. So, help me out with the way of the Wiki. :D -- Sushi(Does the time really matter),9 August 2009(What does UTC stand for? o.o)
Sorry for the spam.

Potion Template

Thanks for the comment on the new potion templates. It has helped me decide to discontinue template two since both you and angevon do not like it as much as template 1. If you have and complains/suggestions/comments, please feel free to add them onto my talk page or the template's talk page. --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 21:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Round boxes?

To see round boxes, you must be using Firefox or Safari 3. I removed the old function of round boxes that worked for all browsers and placed the correct function of using round boxes. Sorry, but use firefox D: Firefox > All! --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 00:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Test Page

Sorry I didn't see your message earlier but my test page doesn't tell me if it gets new messages. Also, please don't edit it unless it's important and preferably after talking to me. Its easier to have things tested on a sub-page and less messy but if you edit it I won't know what's going on. The comma is in the wrong place on purpose to show how a number can be entered and still have a column only sort numerically, first from lowest to highest and then highest to lowest (rather than doing weird orders of numerical and alphabetical sorting). Have a look at it now lol --ZRoc (talk) 21:43, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you did. Was just worried you might lol, sorry again --ZRoc (talk) 21:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Unused Image

Hey. :3 Are you going to use your image File:Avvie Of Me.png? If not, I'll delete it during this Friday's clean-up. --Aramet (Talk) 20:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Now, what about File:OhayItsStar.jpg? --Aramet (Talk) 20:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Transparency Backgrounds

Sorry for reverting to the older image before I saw your reupload XD It should be on the transparent one now I think. ^ ^ --Camella 18:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Small Tip

Yeah I know they are kind of not so good, but I don't have photoshop on this computer honestly. Basically what I did is take a screenshot from the game itself and edit it in paint. And I would put it in transparency, but my graphic gale free trial expired so I am unable to. xD

I also would try your way, but Macs don't have a print screen button, and I can't play on Mabi without being on the Windows side. xD

I honestly was putting it there for the sake of filling it up for the time being until someone else had the means to fix it. X3 Or until I got back to college campus and fixed it in the computer labs there. (Is majoring in Graphic Design so all the computers in that lab have photoshop *drools*) --Camella 19:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

"the"

I think we should stick with in-game actual titles. besides you forgot to put "the" in the other titles without "the".--黄恒升 ^{☞ 评论 ☜} 02:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Enchant

Unless Nexon has changed it in an update, the last time I entrusted someone else to do an enchant burn for me it required a Sunlight Herb not a Mana Herb. The Mana Herb is only required when I enchant burn the item myself. Has Nexon changed the rules or is your change on the Enchant page wrong? --ZRoc (Talk) 01:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Why would i hate you? If people got hated for mistakes, then I would be near the top of the list lol. So I can change it back or will you? --ZRoc (Talk) 02:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Music Notes

Were did you get the music note text peices? - A Random User 00:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Charmap isn't in my computer. What kind of computer do you have? - A Random User 04:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Current

Yes, but in the iria tab, when you try clicking on zardin or ource on the map, it doesn't show. - A Random User 22:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Failure Stamp

Lol, go here. - A Random User 23:00, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Roflmaool!!! I woulve le you do that edit and left it like that if you said you were going to do it. =P I re-uploaded the scrible image. - A Random User 03:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

hai there

i had actually thought of that, i was just going to put "not dyeable" under that category. as for the "appears not to do anything" i'm making a button for that tommarow, and was considering putting a note section in after the palette, for stuff like that, or for noting that a certain part is hard to dye, or distorts color. thing that'd work? And i suppose it'll deffinately be a chore, but templates for male and female clothing are generally the same (on outfits with male and female versions anyway) so that might cut down a bit. but, no good things come without hard work right? ^^" Miyani 08:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

rough draft

well, not sure what you meant by symetrical, it was a rushed icon to give an example, i'm gonna change the blue i think, it doesn't seem to colorize well. purple and cyan will be kept, they contrast alot so it deffinately makes it more obvious. also, i don't want them to look like an ingame icon. so i guess the weird colors helps with that. and the final reason is black and white has been done to death, then done again. so trying to maintain color over the monochrome this time around ^_^ btw would the notes box work for that thing ya mentioned yesterday or any other idea of how we'd go about that? Miyani 07:55, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

mmmm well, if you could make the buttons more round then they are that'd be nice, they;re like, flat ontop. i just shrank and old button <.< Miyani 01:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

They look much better thank you ^_^ i also updated the template with the note section.i think soon it'll be time to try implementing it ^^ Miyani 04:36, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

huh. o.o she's right o.o

Errrrm dream would be a stretch, hobby would be more accurate. if people don't want to do them i will, as it takes about 2 minutes to do what i did on the icon. Numbering is itneresting, but as you already mentioned with tiny areas it's going to look awful. i've thought of other icon editing things, but out of all of them selecting colorize and coloring over each peice just seemed much simpler. Miyani 20:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC) Miyani 01:28, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

i use gimp, you just pick the brush, select colorize intead of normal and the rest is effortless. it's the same program i use to add tranparency. Miyani 22:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Two Parts Dye Shoes

"Like, for the Trudy Moccasin Boots, there are two parts [to dye]". The second part is probably the bottom of the shoe. I tried to dye my Teeth-patterned Ankle Boots and it also had two parts. I dyed the main part tan-ish and then curiously tried to see what the bottom of the shoe looked like and it appeared as a weird red color. So yeah xP... --Akumo 14:08, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

=P

Reasons

You have made helpful comments/suggestions in the past, not just to me but on other pages. They are useful, you should do it more often =3
Your are helping or have helped Miyani with the dye colors
Your not rude, nasty or bossy when you do make comments =3
I like your user page and sub-pages, they're fun to read
You are willing to learn stuff and I think you know more than you pretend to
Your sig is different, looks really good, isn't in your face and doesn't use half a page
Yes my talk page is getting long and I must do something about it >=3
If I find something to bother you about then your in trouble (Angevon archives my messages seperately cause I keep bothering her so much) XD
I talk too much *sighs*

--ZRoc (Talk) 22:08, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

OK moral accepted, will not talk to you again (lying). Your example of rudeness is incorrect, you were replying to someone being nasty (2 wrongs do make a right). My eyes are fine, totally unfried (not sure if that's a word) and likes the llama. Will not get into a competition about who talks too much, will now say "I talk too much but probably not as much as Dramartistic". Pressed show and page exploded (lying again). Never thought I would accept a fail stamp as a mark of success and User:Js16 page is mildly amusing (you can get a lot of pompous phrases from watching an art critic/wine tasting show for about 1 min, any longer and your brains start leaking out your ears). Your funny, thank you for livening up a dull day XD --ZRoc (Talk) 22:59, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Art show = TV show with 2 people sitting opposite each other, the chairs are almost always some freakish modern art design that would look better in a torture chamber. The 2 people are taking ten thousand words (with much wriggling in the chairs, obviously trying to find a position that wont cause agony) to say they do or dont like someone's art work.

Wine show = TV show similar to the above in using thousands of words to say one thing. Except a small group of people are now standing and spitting out wine taken from a row of unmarked wine bottles to find the one they like best (watching people spit out wine into buckets is always so entertaining, NOT). They use phrases like "has a bouquet like a red sunset", "tastes like luxurious black velvet" and "is as robust as old leather and a days hard sweat", weird oxymorons from stuck-up morons to the max. One of the funniest things I have seen was a foreign documentary (with English sub-titles) where a group of stuck-up French wine tasting experts were unknowingly competing against a rude and very crude small town French drunk (they translated his swearing and how he described the wines was hilarious) to see who could tell by taste alone which unmarked wine came from which wine-making region. The drunk won and when the experts were told who beat them, they stormed off in a huff. (oops, sneaks in and signs) --ZRoc (Talk) 13:07, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm stealing your ideas (from your comments on my talk page) and re-editing my user page, see you are ~~worth bothering~~ a helpful person to know XD --ZRoc (Talk) 15:37, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Your Details

Thank you for those details in the hidden text box. That should be enough for me to stalk you (mwahahahaha), when I can afford to buy a ticket to fly the US (I live in Australia lol). Seriously, anyone can ~~stalk~~ read your user page, like I do. I hope at least some of those details were fudged (if you did then DONT tell me which ones, I am a sicko pervert >=3). BTW no more llamas, they're expensive to feed and I hurt my back catching the last one! --ZRoc (Talk) 12:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm reporting you to whatever you call a prevention of cruelty to llamas organisation, for cruelty to... well that's obvious now isn't it =P Sorry, I'm not good at riddles, I have a very short attention spa... look a baby llama *plays with baby llama* --ZRoc (Talk) 19:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Nerds and the Llama Song, somehow that fits together XD You did say you saw the math on the bottom of my user page and you dare to think you are a true nerd. Well I out nerd you >=3 Uhmmm maybe thats not a good thing lol Puts finger in end of gun barrel, watches gun explode when you pull the trigger but by some miracle my finger is totally unharmed. Tells blackened figure of Dramartistic "Dont play with guns!", totally ignoring the fact he stuck his finger in a gun barrel. Llamas spit (yuck) but baby llamas are really cute, which reminds me... *goes back to playing with the baby llama* --ZRoc (Talk) 20:21, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Your sig looks good. Calls Greenpeace to rescue baby llama from the Antarctica while bandaging Dramartistic wounds from exploding gun. Now is going to sleep, cause its really late here. Night, night =3 --ZRoc (Talk) 20:44, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, have been a little busy (car hit my bike, been trying to get it fixed, the bruises and gravel rash haven't been helping lol). I'm on Australian Central Time. Here at 6.30 AM Friday it is also 1.00 PM Thursday in Los Angeles, if that helps. --ZRoc (Talk) 20:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

LA has the same timezone as Nexon's servers (I think lol) so that's why I used it. BTW, my timezone is one of the few in the world that's actually dumb enough to have a half hour time difference (+10.30 hours GMT/UCT during daylight saving and +9.30 hours GMT/UCT otherwise). If only I was from the future, then I could look up some lottery's numbers from the US, give them to you and you could cash in a winner XD --ZRoc (Talk) 22:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

NPC Images

If you want, I can replace the most of them with .jpg's. I've got all the files up to G11. --Jαy 00:37, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah, right. That is confusing and somewhat maddening. --Jαy 00:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Not that I care what image format is used but I cant see the difference between the jpg and png images (at least not for the NPCs I've looked at). Just out of pure curiosity, why change png to jpg?

Thank you, curiosity satisfied. I didn't worry about image formats except for not using gif, as the images look lousy compared to jpg and png. I think Random was changing jpg format NPC images to png format to give them a transparent background or something. Couldn't see the point as they looked better with a white background, which seemed to be more consistent. However, I dont know much about image manipulation (not even sure if that's what it's called lol) and may not really know what he/she was doing XD --ZRoc (Talk) 02:18, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

RE:Theories/Hypotheses

About the failing in bulk thing, I don't think that's true. I tried to make 10 thin threads at once today, failed (at 99% loool) and only lost 6 cobwebs. So, that is to say, at least it isn't true for weaving. :s Beepuke 07:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

About your fossil theory. Trust me. That's not how it works. --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 07:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Status Icons

No, they shouldn't be kept, but I was too lazy to edit and delete the redirections after I had moved them. ._.;; --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 02:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome messages

Please don't give welcome messages directing people to the policy unless the user is actively working on a user page and nothing else. It can confuse and intimidate new users. We cracked down on User:Random for doing that a while back. --- Angevon (Talk) 17:20, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

NPC Images (Part 2)

I dont know if it will help with what you were doing with the images of NPCs but for those on the NPCs page I've changed the template so you can add whatever file name or image format extension you want. Just add |image=file_name.ext (e.g., |image=Austeyn.png). If the image parameter isn't added then it will default to name.jpg where name is the NPC name given to the template's name parameter. I've only added the image parameter for NPCs where the image format extension isn't ".jpg". --ZRoc (Talk) 10:13, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't really like templates for various reasons but I don't run the wiki and decided to swim with the flow when I have to. Most of what I know is by trail and error, like you found out about the colors in the fonts. So, I'm no more an Einstein than you and am equally as jealous of how easily you know stuff about colors and images =P. Also, minor edits are as important as templates, "so good work there, that person" (as a friend of mine always says lol) *gives golden baby llama* --ZRoc (Talk) 20:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm, *tries to look intelligent but fails* sorry llamas don't lay eggs and I'm starting to wonder what schools teach in science these days... *shocked expression* look it just did and it's golden too!! XD --ZRoc (Talk) 00:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Font color coding

I think your right, if you use just 3 characters then its as if your using them twice but I've only seen it used for color codes that use only one character, i.e., aaa = aaaaaa, 000 = 000000 and fff = ffffff. As Angevon pointed out to me the Opera browser (latest vesion) doesn't recognise it as a font color code and when I checked with IE (version 8) neither did it. I think the 3 character color code was allowed in earlier browsers but now they are becoming more web compliant they wont let you use old coding methods. Firefox still does and since that's what I use then I ddn't see a problem until Angevon told me. --ZRoc (Talk) 02:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation

I have removed Forms of Gold from the disambiguation of Gold and please dont tell me to shut it. Note that when I use Gold Ore I mean either Gold Ore or Gold Ore Fragment. There is no way you can use Gold and confuse it with [[Forms of Gold]] which means made from gold ore or made of gold metal. Note that gold metal is not an in-game item and is only used to refer to items that are refined from Gold Ore. You have to use "Forms of" (or "made from" or "metal"), "Plate", "Bar" or "Ingot" in a sentence to refer to the terms that use them. Using "Mythril", "Copper", "Iron" or "Silver" is inaccurate (as well as inconsistent with 'Forms of Gold") and I have moved them all to "Forms of Mythril/Copper/Iron/Silver". You can use "Did you mine gold?" and everyone knows your talking about Gold Ore but you can never use "Did you make the gold?" without someone going "Huh?". You need to ask "Did you make the gold plate/bar/ingot?". "Is it gold?" or "Is it made of gold?" works, but gold here would only be refering to Gold Ore or is asking if Gold Ore was used in its production somewhere but not specifically to Gold Plate/Bar/Ingot (you would have to specifically ask "Was it made from Gold Plates/Bars/Ingots?"). Asking "Is Iron used in the crafting of Arrows?", which can be crafted from Bundle of Arrowheads which use Iron Ingots made from Iron Ore, is only asking is Iron Ore used in its production wheras to find out about the Iron Ingots you would have to ask "Are Iron Ingots used in the crafting of Arrows?". Disambiguation lists are meant to be used for words or terms that have multiple meanings or can be used to refer to other words or terms. Gold is never defined as or used to replace Forms of Gold or Gold Plate/Bar/Ingot (not in real life, by in-game text or by other players). By that definition every single item that uses a particular metal to craft it should be listed as a disambiguation of that metal. That is, as gold bar/plate/ingot are just crafted items of gold then Gold Dog Collar and Gold Necklace would be defined as gold and should also be listed in the Forms of Gold page. That means an Iron disambiguation list and the Forms of Iron page would be massive. However, Forms of Gold/Iron/etc refers to items that are refined from their respective ores, just as the disambiguation page is for different definitions of the word gold or words that can be replaced with it. The search function will always find those pages that have gold as part of their name and will always provide a better up-to-date list. If someone types in Gold in the search function they will be given a list that will include Gold Ore, Gold Ingot, Forms of Gold, Gold Dog Collar, etc at the top of the 1st search page which lists all pages that contain the word Gold in their title. The disambiguation page therefore only needs to and is only meant to provide different direct references of a word, e.g., for Gold that is the Gold currency, Gold Ore and Gold Ore Fragment. --ZRoc (Talk) 12:28, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Just because someone gave a page an incorrect title or listed incorrect items on that page does not make it the correct usage. "Forms of Gold/Iron/etc" lists metals refined into certain shapes and therefore should not include the ores as they are not metals amd are not refined into a shape. A correct title (that would be too long) would be "Gold Ore and its Refined Items" or "Gold Ore and its Refined Forms" =P --ZRoc (Talk) 12:47, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

P.P.S. The Metals category should be called "Ores and Metals" or the ores should not be listed in it. --ZRoc (Talk) 13:29, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I dont intend to change the category at the moment. However, would a category for ores and a category for metals be better. Otherwise, why not call the page "Ores and Metals", add the sentences;

Ores are raw materials that are usually obtained by either mining with a pickaxe or by using the metallurgy skill with a metallurgy sieve. Ores are not metals and are not used in any production skill except for refining.

Metals are the differently shaped items produced by refining ores or other refined metals and are mainly used in the production skills of refining, blacksmithing, tailoring and handicraft.

However, Mythril Cable (which uses Holy Water of Lymilark not just Mythril Ingots) and Iron/Gold/etc Bars are made by blacksmithing and they really shouldn't be there at all (nor should they be in the Forms of Gold/Iron/etc pages). If you leave them there then any item that just uses a particular metal to be made by blacksmithing would have to be added (i.e., Bundle of Arrowheads, Bundle of Bolt Heads, etc). Also things that are made by blacksmithing and use only different metals would need to be have their own pages as alloys are metals as well (i.e., Gold Dog Collar and Chain Dog Collar). Also, the Chain of Protection would need to be included as it is purely made of Mythril Cable but is created by using handicraft. Also, at the moment Gold Plate, Copper Plate, Silver Plate and Silver Bar are not used to make anything using a production skill (mimics making metal colored statues are not listed as a production skill). As the Metals category is obviously trying to list items used as materials to produce metal based products then these cannot be included as they are not used in the production of anything else. If it was a category for the metals produced by refining then at least those plates could be included but not the ores or the bars. If it was a category for the materials used in refining then the ores could be included but not the plates (they aren't refined into anything else) or the bars. The Metals category is misleading and can easily fool someone into thinking that bars/mythril cable can be refined (not blacksmithed), ores can be used in production skills or that plates can be refined into something else. The Metals category History gives the reason for creating the page as "This is a page for minable metal ores and the raw materials made directly from them using the Refining skill." Ores are not Metals (the category name was a poor choice), Bars and Mythril Cable are not refined and some Plates are not used as raw materials. --ZRoc (Talk) 04:37, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

PNG Filesizes

I saw your complaint on your userpage. Image-editing programs add a lot of useless info to the file make .pngs have huge filesizes. There's a program I use called Png Crush to remove all that extra crap. It's a little hard to use since it's command prompt-based, but if you're interested I could explain how I use it, so that you can use it too. --- Angevon (Talk) 22:42, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

It usually cuts the filesize by 1/2. It only works for pngs. --- Angevon (Talk) 00:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

000000

Why're you extending 000's to 000000's and aaa's to aaaaaa's? It meaninglessly extends the code and makes no difference... --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 19:32, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

<br>/<br />...

...should be the same for every browser. <br> is HTML with no end tag. <br /> is XHTML with the "/" closing the tag on its own. [1]--κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 06:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

"<br />" and fff

While looking for coding info on the help pages of Meta-Wiki, Wikimedia and Wikipedia (as well as a few other sites about html and css) I came across info about stuff that is more compliant across browsers and that might be better to use so that things keep working for future changes to web software. It said that;

unless the code requires the use of capitals, all code should be in lower case, so things like "FFFFFF", "CLASS=", "<TABLE>, </TABLE>, <TR>, </TR> should in fact be "ffffff", "class=", "<table>, </table>, <tr>, </tr>.
certain single html tags such as the break tag should in fact only use <br /> instead of <BR>, <BR/>, <BR />, <br> or <br/>.

Another single tag that can be typed like this is <hr /> which creates a horizontal line across a page (like the line under a section heading).

As far as using a 3 character code such as fff, I was stupidly trying to make the code on a page consistent (without realising it was not compliant), as most of the code on those pages used the 3 character shorthand version (for fff, aaa and 000) but the font color was 6 characters long. It appears web compliant coding wants 6 character codes and Opera shows the weird stuff that can happen when you use the 3 character shorthand. Opera is supposedly one of the most web compliant browsers out there (I'm not an expert on browsers and this is from Opera's own advertising).

Please note that Mabinogi World Wiki does not appear to be web compliant and would probably need a major overhaul to make it so (again I'm not an expert so don't just take my word for it =3). However, many web pages out there are not web compliant and so all browsers will still display a page to some extent but not neccesarily as it was meant to be (as Opera shows). I think making simple changes as I edit pages for other things (I don't normally just edit a page to change the color codes, change code to lowercase or change break tags) means that this wiki has a better chance to be displayed as it is meant to and on as many web browsers as possible (at least I hope so >=3). --ZRoc (Talk) 08:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Sadly, trying to find out which browser is used would only work for the people who joined this wiki but a hell of a lot more people who are not members use this wiki as a guide and there is no way to find out what they use. Nice idea tho =3. As I said there is only a little bit we can do to make things work across all browsers and I doubt I know even a fraction of what needs to be done. The admins and sysop aren't really worried about it, so doing the little that we can is not urgent and can be done in little doses. If you want to edit pages just to change the code then that's fine too but as I said I don't think there is a rush. --ZRoc (Talk) 16:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Move Pages

Yeah, I realized that after I saw you move the talk page for the turkey thing and I saw there's a move button at the top. I'm like "Ohh... I'm stupid xP". Anyways, thanks for the info ^^ (BTW your talk page is getting quite long o:) --Δκυmσ - ταłκ 00:45, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the help with uploading images... --Yuuka 02:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Text Shadow

The div tags in <div style="text-shadow: -3px 3px 5px #0080FF, 3px -3px 5px #FF0033"><font color=#FFFFFF>♪◦(text)◦♫</font></div> cause any text to follow onto a new line, e.g.,

There is no

break tag in this sentence.

Instead replace the div and /div with span and /span, respectively, (i.e., <span style="text-shadow: -3px 3px 5px #0080FF, 3px -3px 5px #FF0033"><font color=#FFFFFF>♪◦(text)◦♫</font></span>) so the text remains on one line , e.g., This sentence will stay on a single line. --ZRoc (Talk) 05:50, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Using the span tags will also allow you to add text shadows to links, whereas you can't with the div tags. --ZRoc (Talk) 05:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry but your userpage is incompatible with Internet Explorer 1-8. The shadows are non-ie only. 80% of the world uses Internet Explorer. use http://www.permadi.com/tutorial/glowFilter/index.html this in addition or instead.--Hengsheng120·^TALK_CONTRIBS 06:29, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Microsoft's Internet Explorer does not recognise the shadow/glow effect around the text in the above examples, it uses it's own code for background color effects and they only work on Internet Explorer. So what works on IE doesn't work on Firefox or Opera (and vice versa). As the font color itself is white in the above example, then on IE nothing shows as the shadow/glow effect doesn't work and the font itself is white on white.

I told you before I ~~steal~~ borrow other people's ideas, so I've made my page colorful too XD.

In the above example, to have the link not turn dark blue/purple after you click on a link, then the div tags need to be inside the link brackets which means the link wont work but using span tags does allow it to be used in a link. Also, on Firefox and Opera the end div tag (i.e., </div>) forces any text that follows it onto a new line, like any text that follows a break tag (i.e., <br />). Again, using span tags instead does not do this.

Considering that background shadow/glow effects are a pain because of the different codes required between IE and other browsers, I really don't think they should be used anywhere except on user pages lol. However, look at my user page's section headings with IE and then with Firefox or Opera (and in edit mode to look at the code), the headings show in all three browsers even though the text font color is white. The codes for IE and that for other browsers can be combined but the effect is not the same as they don't do exactly the same thing and it's a pain to use >:(.

I was trying to make the shadow/glow effects (that you found out about) work in a link and also in a sentence that only had a few words with those effects (without the sentence being split onto two lines by the end div tag). I guess Hengsheng120 point is that I really wasn't helping, thanks to IE's propriety codes, sorry T.T.

You have a nice day too =3 --ZRoc (Talk) 10:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

PS according to Wikipedia, only 63% of people using a browser use Internet Explorer, as of November 2009. Power to any other browser but Microsoft's rubbish XD. My personal favorite is Firefox but Opera is nice too. I haven't had a chance to try any others (except Google's Chrome and I deleted it soon after reading the software license, it was worse than Microsoft's). --ZRoc (Talk) 10:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Hexadecimal

Your right 255 (decimal) = ff (hexadecimal), see User:ZRoc/Examples#Hexadecimal. --ZRoc (Talk) 12:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Hello

Thank you =3. Your reward for helping is the right to edit the guides (a useless reward I know but it's all your going to get... oh, I found a spare gold llama, so you can have that too XD). --ZRoc (Talk) 18:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
P.S. I hope you had a merry Xmas and have a great New Year =3 --ZRoc (Talk) 18:10, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure you will, I obviously can't spell and I'm sure there will always be something I miss XD --ZRoc (Talk) 21:10, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I thought about that but I figured people would figure out for themselves that they can add extra rows, as required, by copying and pasting the single row given in the guide's tables. I thought that was pretty basic coding, however, I could be wrong (and probably very wrong, as I'm not a noob at coding on the wiki anymore and barely remember how hard it was to code anything when I was lol). If you think I really should then would it be better to do add a second row for each table that may require them (the Blacksmithing, Tailoring and Handicraft section's tables only ever need one row) or add a statement in the Notes section at the top of the guide's page stating that extra rows can be added by copying and pasting that single row? --ZRoc (Talk) 23:22, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the colorful New Year wish and I hope you have a wonderful 2010 too =3 --ZRoc (Talk) 22:10, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmmm? Now who were you again? Its been so long I've forgotten who you are. Oh, wait it's coming back now!

I never listen to anyone, I love the sound of my own voice... uhmmm... should that be "my own typing"? Now I'm confused... what was I saying... Anyway, moving along! My evil plans to take over the wiki by acting like a nice guy are progressing nicely and the blind fools are even praising me, bwahahahaha. Yes I steal things, I'm a no good, sneaky thief and proud of it (my true nature is now revealed).

All joking aside, it's been so quiet on the wiki without you. Welcome back! Whatever you were doing I hope it was fun. Beside the broken neck from being hit by a llama, I've been fine. How, and more importantly what, have you been doing? --ZRoc (Talk) 04:52, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi there!

I'm not sure if you remember ever posting on my user talk page. It was way back - you helped me out with the whole four tildas thing regarding signatures, and I've never really gotten to thanking you on that big block of text. So, here's a really belated thanks to you! -- sushi . ♫ 01:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Monster Tables, your opinion?

I'm trying out several possible new templates for the normal monsters.

They are based on the Shadow mission monsters template.

Since you seem to be in touch with more of the mabi community than I am, can you ask around to get opinions? Both on the new template and on whether the sections should be opened or closed? -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 14:14, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Cranes

Now that I think about it, may I ask how you made the picture of the 1000 cranes? --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 02:29, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

GIMP does animations?! I never knew that. Thank you :D --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 22:12, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Claymore Hilt Picture

Hai there :D. I think the hilt picture is for people who want to see some of the fine details on it. Like, there'll be some pictures of how it looks equipped/sheathed in general, and then there's the details. See Dragon Blade/Images for examples :o. In my opinion, the Claymore doesn't have that many details, and Two-handed Sword doesn't have a hilt-pic either, so we could probably remove it or something. --Ryo 01:05, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Welcome

Thank you for your welcome on the wiki, as well as in-game XD --ZRoc (Talk) 10:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

"Useless redirects"

Forgive me if I misunderstood you, but I assume that you see these redirects as useless because no pages link to the redirect anymore? I think they're still used: If someone were to type, say, "Barri spirit" into the search bar, they would automatically be sent to the page for Barri Dungeon. It saves us from typing the whole name, and I personally use the search bar quite a lot (either that or typing directly into the address bar). And yes, I do stalk the recent changes :3 --Ryo (Talk) 22:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Spelling and Grammar

I tried to think of something witty to say about your rant but I couldn't, i'll probably wake up one night with the perfect response. \(°0°)/ How does you change your siggy so it can show something different? o-O Like Ikkisuki turned into κєνıи --SwissedToast 01:15, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Login

Do you have login problems after they changed the wiki? I heards a lot of people is having this problem including Anguhvun, D: I couldn't log in for a couple weeks until I bothered Khenta enough ;~; Yay I is filling up your talk page --\(°∀°)/ 10:20, 24 October 2010 (PDT)

~~/stalk~~ After the wiki and forums went down, forum accounts were deleted and you could now use your wiki account to log into the forums. In addition, in order to login at all, you had to reset your password and get a temporary one sent to your email. --Ryo (Talk) 10:26, 24 October 2010 (PDT)

I knew it, Guardian Angel sounds cooler though --\(°∀°)/ 12:26, 25 October 2010 (PDT)

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