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Hey boss, can I PM you something on the forums please?

Infodude575 (talk)21:21, 23 August 2013

This is gonna go south quick...I just know it.

Oh yeah Saiyr, I've been experiencing some weird things with the time adjustments you did (if any...) Everything shows up 1 hour ahead. I'll check my settings.

It was my settings. everything's fine now ~*

まそっぷ ! (talk)21:23, 23 August 2013
 

I'm getting tired of, you know. I didn't want to do this, but my hand has been forced.

Infodude575 (talk)21:27, 23 August 2013
 

I'm guessing whatever he tried to get Angevon to do didn't work~

 

I have no idea what is happening on this thread, but you don't need permission to PM me

Saiyr (talk)21:44, 23 August 2013
 

I'm just going to say it. Kevin's being awfully more immature for the past few weeks. See his user page for examples.

Infodude575 (talk)21:48, 23 August 2013
 

When you're ruining the wiki, you get what you deserve~

 

Like how you deserved your demotion?

Explain to me how I'm "ruining the wiki".

Infodude575 (talk)21:52, 23 August 2013

That was a low low blow, even for you...anyways that's a different reason. As of late though the edits seem to have been rather...well not constructive. I mean don't get me wrong, you drive a hard argument but neh...it's things like...well a couple things pointed out in kev's page. I'm not taking sides. I mean even kev's made some unconstructive edits (Am I even using the right word...?) but at least they sorta fixed thing to were they make sense...

まそっぷ ! (talk)22:00, 23 August 2013
 

That doesn't mean he gets to go Millia mode and insult and harass me on every turn. Is it that hard to make a peaceful resolution?

Infodude575 (talk)22:03, 23 August 2013
 

Indeed it is...that is why we can't have nice things/world peace/pieces

I try not to get involved in such matters but considering I feel I'm to blame with my uhh...not quite sure it's casual anymore but yeah. I feel partly to blame.

まそっぷ ! (talk)22:07, 23 August 2013
 

Tarlach: Its those fucking Gods! They're making us all fight one another!

Kevin, that doesn't mean you become immature, defile my name, and badmouth me.

Mikaya you're not involved, this is a personal matter between me and Kevin, so don't blame yourself. Like I said, I didn't want this to come to boss's attention nor did I want to argue on his page; I'm sorry, but this has gone far enough.

Infodude575 (talk)22:12, 23 August 2013
 

Neh...I feel like that feather that breaks the balance. you know?

まそっぷ ! (talk)22:14, 23 August 2013
 
 
 
this is a personal matter between me and Kevin
 

 

-brings Saiyr and Angevon into this-
Yes, very personal.

Where am I defiling your name? My userpage is just your take on the wiki. Everything on there is just a reflection of what you've said. If anyone's defiling your name, it's yourself.

 

Yes, like how I deserved my demotion (except, not exactly because that was for an entirely different reason, not ruining the wiki). You seem to love bringing that up.

 
 
Explain to me how I'm "ruining the wiki".
 

 

Look at every revision you've made that I've "commented" on.

 

I've seen more revision wars between the two of you more than anything else...that's kinda sad considering those reversions outdo image reversion wars...seriously.

まそっぷ ! (talk)22:04, 23 August 2013
 

Jesus. Firstly, saiyr's job is administration of the server and software, he doesn't need to nor does he want to deal with social drama. Angevon and I are here for that, so please come to us. Secondly, you never need to request permission to PM an admin, or email those of us that offer the button on the forum.

Lastly, I can feel Ikkisuki's tension here but from what I've seen so far he hasn't been necessarily dickish about it. It only seems to degrade into dickishness in the linked when you both become sarcastic and unbearable. If I were to ban either of you (temporarily) based on that thread, it would be both of you.

I'm glad you made a thread to discuss it, but in the future, Infodude, do so earlier. Don't simply revert a removal like that because you should know that it's going to be removed, again. That is the point when you should make the thread to discuss the issue with the person. If necessary please contact an admin (namely Angevon) to make an absolute ruling on the matter. Preferably, it can be solved by the users on the page's discussion section, though.

Ikkisuki, it's something I've had to talk to you about before and I'll do it again, but do try to curse at people less and be more respectful. To me, it seems a tolerable level, generally, but if it's going to be constant or drive people off I will have to ban you for it.

Infodude, many of your contributions are in fact silly and unwarranted if not outright misinformed. I will require you to take heed of criticism or you may face a ban as well. I also recommend that you study the nature of arguments and burden of proof. There are others on the wiki that I would recommend that to, as well. The reason that many of these threads escalate into hurting your feelings is often because of your own hardheadedness irritating others enough that they come to use stronger words and more aggressive tactics in an effort to get their point across. That's likely not always the case, but it happens enough that it's worth mentioning.

Ikkisuki's user page doesn't seem to be bashing you in particular, but in more of the form of making a political statement. That's more or less okay to do, as immature as it is. If he was still admin, I'd force him to remove it, but at current status I'll allow it. I would highly recommend attempting to understand what he's trying to convey, rather than dismissing it outright, since he obviously had enough frustration behind it to take the time to make such a complex statement. Of course, I'm not telling you to agree with it.

Ikkisuki, similarly, you need to learn when too much is too much. Some people can take the heat and some can't. It's okay to not be able to, it's certainly no disability like many netizens seem to think. You've been handling the majority of this thread in a civil way, and I thank you for that at least. And coming from me, you at least, should know that means something. Nonetheless, in the linked thread and several memos I've found floating around, you could stand to lose the aggressive air a bit, even if you don't feel he deserves your respect.

Lastly, this is final. I expect you both to uphold the doctrines of this treatise or I will ban you. No arguments, either. If anyone sees them bickering please report it to me or Angevon. I will inform her of this ruling, as well.

Kadalyn (talk)23:10, 23 August 2013
 
 
do try to curse at people less and be more respectful
 

 

I do not curse that often! I would, though, if it gets the point across more clearly.

As for respect, I respect everyone on the wiki; they offer their time and effort to improve it. One can lose that respect, though.

Might as well ban me now, cause we all know this isn't the last time this is going to happen.

How very "honest effort" of you. :| Hopefully people are capable of earning that respect back, as well.

Anyway, you're welcome to not like people. You're welcome to print out their names and throw darts at it. However even if you don't respect them on the inside, I still expect an effort for peaceful interaction.

Kadalyn (talk)23:31, 23 August 2013
 

Noooooo, don't TRY to push yourself into getting banned. You are the one of the few voices of reason around here!

DANTE20XX (talk)00:45, 24 August 2013
 

Don't take sides, Dante. It just encourages them.

Oneris (talk)01:25, 24 August 2013
 
 

Sorry, I'm not sure who are the active admins here or their general duties. I already talked to Angevon, she only responded that she acknowledge my PM, but went silent after that.

Infodude575 (talk)23:14, 23 August 2013

Angevon is the head of the wiki and basically the sole overseer, saiyr is the sysadmin for wiki/forums, Majikaru is IRC head, and I'm MabiWorld overlord (mwahaha?) and head forum overseer. Technically Khenta has say over me, but I act in his absence.

It probably should be better spelled out somewhere, though.

Kadalyn (talk)23:19, 23 August 2013