Regarding front page

Large icons are cluttery, and defeats the purpose of minimization.

Having these gigantic lists at all defeats the purpose of minimization.

Then what's the point of the front page at all? You expect people to click through 2 3 or 4 pages to find what they want?

The front page is for introduction, appeal, and news; it's not supposed to be a sitemap. Think of it like a book: you have your front cover, then you have your table of contents -- not both in one.

Then where would you have the table of contents? If we're not even going to have one.

It's exactly as Kevin says. Like before, I linked all of those other wikis to give you an idea of what front pages should look like.

And again, you will not be clicking through 2-4 pages to get to where you want, because you know what to search for. Newbies will, however, need to click through a couple pages; but they'll quickly learn what to search for as well.

I expect to add more categories and nicer summary pages and other things with this to make it an easy switch. Hopefully such a change will give users more incentive to keep pages like the Enchanting Sequences page up to date, which would fix Kyoura's guildmates' dilemma.

If I may stumble in to this conversation before stumbling out, the front page could be cleaned up by adding to the Categories listed under "Categories" on the sidebar, and there could be a link on the front page that leads to a "Table of Contents" page which would allow people to select categories and go from there.

Peace.

/stumbles out

And it's not that hard to make a "Sitemap" page and link to it under the "Navigation" pane on the lefthand sidebar.

Actually, is there nay way we can make hovering over a category on the sidemap bring up more specific subsections like in some other wikis? Either way, I don't think the Newmenu should be lost. Be it in the sidebar, a Sitemap page, or still on the front page.

We have something like that in the works I guess. Even then, I wouldn't want the thing to be super cluttered. Most wikis do not have a dropdown of all the skills in the game.