Rechecking Formula for Critical Damage

Currently wiki states formula for crit damage as (Base damage roll) + (Max Damage * Crit Modifiers). I ran some tests, and found this to be inaccurate. I got crit damage values less than what would be using this formula. The data makes sense if we use (Base damage roll) + (Base damage roll * Crit Modifier). I understand tests like this run only few hundred data points, but having even if 1 value from test (I got 3-4 values from ingame testing that gave crit damage values less than what would be expected as minimum crit damage using current wiki formula) that contradicts formula should be enough to disprove it.

Would anyone mind looking into this? I would make the edit, but am not certain current formula is wrong, and while the one I proposed makes sense, am not sure it is correct either with utmost certainity.

My testing at 521~763 Damage Range with a bonus critical damage modifier of 1.67 and a bonus damage modifier of 1.4 yielded bare handed attack critical hit values ranging from 1820 to 2065, which is exactly consistent with the formula as it exists. If your proposed formula were accurate, I would expect to see values in the 1400~1800 range, but I did not at any point.

I recommend double-checking that the target you're using for your tests has 0 protection, and also checking to ensure that you've properly adjusted your formula to add together any multiple sources of crit damage you may have.

My testing was with damage range 593 - 793 with 1.57 crit modifier. Expected values per wiki are in range 1838 - 2038. But I obtained few crit hits, 1757, 1816, 1734 lower than expected value.

From your calculations, I notice I didn't include bonus damage, but that's irrelavent as it wouldn't explain the lower values. I tested on brown foxes.

The chances you didn't see values lower are perhaps cause your sample was small? These four contradictory values I got from testing was from around 70-100 hits.... Appreciate your help!

If you believe with absolute confidence that the data you have is correct, please provide your data you have to claim that the information is incorrect. Also note that there is a lot of extra variance in stats, equipment, totems, bonus damage, crit dmg, etc that need to be factored in. Make sure that you have all possible external variables controlled.

I will try to upload the data as soon as I can. I have it on paper than in an excel spreadsheet.

I am aware there can be a lot of variance in stats, which is why I was asking help to verify. Someone else testing and reaching same conclusion would be a better proof than data check cause we can't really 'verify' my data as I can only state my stats and others have to believe it. (Unless many screenshots of stat window, Homestead, renown etc). Perhaps I can simplify things by testing again on an alt....

I will still upload mine incase anyone wants to see.

I tested again on an alt, with relatively no skills leveled, so their balance is 50% with rF Critical Hit. The data file is an excel file, and am unable to upload it here (I couldn't figure how to). Damage numbers being smaller it was easier to see that sometimes, foxes use defense skill without the skill icon and that causes reduced crit hits. I plotted the damage distribution as well from 136 damage points, so I can confirm there was enough damage rolls from lower end, due to low balance. The Crit Damage formula seems consistent even at minimum critical hits.

I am unsure if defense skill from foxes is only issue in my old test, I couldn't find what rank Brown foxes have for defense skill. But from the test on alt, it seems it is rF cause reduction seemed ~20?

Thanks for the help with solving my confusion!

So I think this discussion can be closed ^^