Unreleased Content

Why not just hide all future content and display it the day (if) it arrives?

That's a good idea too. So far we have:

• 0 Votes for Unreleased Content
• 1 Vote for Hiding

You're also missing at least 3 votes for just flat out removing the skipped content and the updates that we aren't 100% guaranteed to get. As Nise said, it does provide false hope, which the vandal from yesterday made very pretty clear.

As I said, this thread is not about whether or not we should include any content. If you want to make a thread for that please do so. This thread is assuming we keep this information (not necessarily what's currently in "Skipped Content" or what are currently "Foreign Content"), and how we will organize them in the future to be prepared for future patches should they come.

So what you're saying is, in the face of larger opposition, you choose to exclude them and discuss what should be done, even though the majority are in favour of removing it? I guess that means you don't want people who are against the proposal to take part? If so, then quick question...how are you going to discuss a proposal of creating anything if you're completely censoring the opposition?

As I said, this is assuming we will be writing on updates that have yet to come. And why not? I will write why we should keep them somewhere, although that is not the purpose and I urge you to create a new thread on the matter if you want to continue.

Points as to Why we should include Foreign Content

• Writing up sections for Master Chef, Vate, Starlet, Druid, etc let us be prepared for when they do come out. That way we don't have to write everything on the spot at the last moment. There will also be less, hopefully no, facts that would be wrong.
• If we waited for updated to be confirmed as Yinato said, we wouldn't have written anything on the Saga until the day it came out because it came without any prior notice, so did most of the season updates. If we went by what Yinato says, Treasure Hunter should be removed from the Patches page immediately. There is no proof we will get it, we can only assume NA will follow suit.
• Lets say KR releases G19, G20, G21, and G22. Assume we don't listen to Yinato and do write up sections for unreleased content but as previously mentioned do not include content we did not get at the projected time. In NA we might get G19 as planned, but not get G20 and the next update we get be G21. Then we get G20 after G21 and before G22. By removing content we did not get at the projected time/order, you are suggesting we completely erase the G20 section and only re-write it if we do ever get it? That sounds very sloppy and irresponsible to me.

In the past having Skipped Content has helped, it would have helped even more if we had it before the time we did make it, as NA seemed to do this often, like adding the Special Inventory tab at G15S2 instead of G14S5 or G15S1. As I said, this thread is assuming we are going to write on unreleased content. The question of this thread is where. So far two ideas have been brought up in multiple threads in the past. One is removing misleading words like "Skipped" and add a helpful euphemism such as "Unreleased". It is not our fault if the read comes up with some false conclusion or feels entitled, or places obligation on NA. But there is a responsibility in us as information providers to write clear warning and remove any possibly misleading wording to prevent assumptions as much as we can. Another also good idea is Imbored's idea of writing/preparing for unreleased update like normal but not showing them publicly until the update is officially announced/released. The question here would be do we want the viewers to see that information here? That's the kind of thing I intended for this thread to discuss.

Also Yinato, please pay attention to which Reply button you are hitting, we don't want to constantly make quote pyramids.

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None of these points are good points.

We still want "Skipped Content" removed. That's our point.

I'm fine with how we place unreleased content like Treasure Hunter over there. But I want Skipped Content removed.

So in the previously stated Hypothetical situation, lets say Treasure Hunter is G19 and any subsequent updates are G20, G21, G22, etc. With you being fine with future content such as Treasure Hunter (G19), you would likewise be fine with the next major update G20 and then G21. But if we get G21 after G19 and do not get an announcement for G19, you suggest removing any notes written on G20 we might have already written, and should we get G20 after G21, we write on G20 then?

That's also a valid option but I don't really think its practical. Just to be clear, when you say you want Skipped Content removed, do you mean you don't want the G20 to be recorded at all should the situation arise; or are you talking about what's specifically in the Skipped Content section at the minute, and not the entire concept of Skipped Content?

I agree and also do not want a section labeled "Skipped Content", but I want to remove that umbrella and label it as Foreign Content or Unreleased Content, because that is what it really is.

Does the majority agree that you should remove any notes on G20 should we get G21 after G19 and not get G20 until later (and with no announcement saying we'll get G19 after 21)?

I don't want a "Foreign Content" or "Unreleased Content" or a "Skipped Content".

I'm fine with putting a tag above the things that are not released yet, like Treasure Hunter.

If something in the update doesn't get added in the NA server, we remove it completely, we do not talk about it and we do not give false hope to people.

But can you answer the hypothetical? Lets put it this way, Druid is G19, Diva/Aria/Starlet is G20, and Vate is G21. If we got Druid, then got Vate before Diva/Aria/Starlet, what would we do with Diva/Aria/Starlet? That's the kind of thing I consider Unreleased Content, and is what I'm referring to as "Skipped Content" in this thread.

Why would we get G21 before G20? Well ignoring that.

Then we remove it unless Nexon says other wise.

Okay so thus far we have:

• Unreleased Content Page
  • 0
• Unreleased Content Section
  • 0
• Unreleased Content Section without titles, and all under a spoiler box along with a status unknown spoiler box
  • 1
    • Meru
• Content on the page but in coding only, not viewable to public.
  • 1
    • Imbored
• G19, G20, G21 method
  • 1
    • Nise Panda

Kapra, stop with the votes.

It's utterly pointless and you're trying too hard to make everyone 'stand alone' because you can't find anyone to follow your cause.

I'm actually undecided and can agree with all of these points. When I say my cause, you people say go with the majory and/or the majority do not agree with me. When I do turn to vote, now you're telling me to stop?

You're making this freakishly complicated. It doesn't need to be complicated, but you somehow manage to do so. Instead of keeping the votes to a direct point of view, generalize it.

• Visible on the page and better outlined/detailed
  • 1
    • Meru
• Visible on the page and better outlined/detailed unless we do not get an update in the order KR received them
  • 1
    • Nise Panda
• Content on the page but not visible to anyone but editors in the coding
  • 1
    • Imbored

There's only so many ways I can say the same thing, happy?

Maybe we can have just 1 big unreleased content box with all the content undivided from g19 g20 g21 and have a box for status unknown updates like tortoise shield.

I don't want such a thing, because of false hope.

There is the nexon forums board specifically for wanting things not released here. They can post there if they want an item in the status unknown section. They come here for the information to post about it there.

The official Mabinogi forum mods cannnot answer to what gets here and what doesn't. They only make official news once they get an okay from the higher ups.

They have never once answered to SAO content ever coming here nor Free RB ever coming here, even with the crap load of threads made about them.

Maybe because free rb is coming already? Just not yet, so they don't have to say anything about that. We don't know. They never respond to any future content people ask for. They literally made a board for what people want to come here, and they made a sub forum about considered items. The forum mods are indeed just forum mods, but bigger people also post there and get the messages of the community. They are the ones providing false hope, we are just supplying information. A status unknown box provides only information about what we did not get, and a notice saying we may never get these things, and a link to the forum board should take the hope off us and onto nexon.

Yea, that was what I was suggesting by the "Unreleased Content" voting option. So you agree that unreleased content notes should be viewable by the public but be better defined as content that may never be released, and etc. But you have the condition that there is no names such as G19, G20, G21, etc, just everything grouped together under one header?

We don't know when we will get what, so it might be more accurate to not include g19 g20 and such, but we can keep them in order of korea, and maybe more defined bullet points. With nexon reaching out to the community for unreleased content, I say it should be viewable, and when we don't get something expected in an update we can move it to status unknown? Am I understanding that right? What do you mean should be done when we "move it to status unknown"?

The recent vandalism and forumers using the wiki as a source for adding "Skipped Content" tells me that we also fuel the false hope.

They never respond to the future content because they're not even sure we're going to get it. They don't know what Nexon plans.

And there's a complete different thing between "What would you like to see in Mabi?" and "What should be in Mabi?". "What would you like?" is completely opinion based on what the player would want, it doesn't speak what Nexon would want or what Nexon can give.

The Suggestion and User Generated Content section of the forums provides ABSOLUTELY NO certainty that said creation will ever be added.

So you're suggesting we keep the skipped content under the Unreleased Content header or however you name its counterpart in your example, but label the bullets as Status Unknown if it doesn't come in the associated update?

I was thinking more of status unknown being its own box along with a future content box, and we move stuff to the unknown box as we go, and we maybe put a link to the nexon board for users to complain about not getting it, so it would be on nexon's shoulders. What was this vandalism? I missed it. I think users getting their hopes up would be their own problem. Just like people hyping up a highly anticipated game only for it to be bad. Shouldn't ruin something for everyone just because of one bad person. Of course they could always go to mabination for future info if that's what we want.

Guy basically replaced text about how Nexon "Stole their RB rights."

And the day before that I saw a forum thread regarding the same thing. 8I And OP linked to the wiki saying "Skipped Content" was actual "Skipped Content"

Why is not including it not an option? That's BS.