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Too much speculation and personal opinion

Fragment of a discussion from Talk:Gods

That's...kinda vague. You have changed positions a few times.

But if it's just eliminating uncertainties, that should be done easily enough. Then, permission to bring back the ideas we've discussed here, rephrased or presented differently to only tell what's known? And give us a call if it's unsatisfactory?

Akira21:55, 13 April 2012

Not really though if you think so common sense suggests go with the last things I said.
And there's also the issue of relevance/notability. A beef I have with a LOT of what certain editors have been adding to the wiki lately is that it's simply pointless in the context of the wiki. This page is similar in that regard which is why I said I don't disagree with the idea that it should be deleted.

Mystickskye22:33, 13 April 2012
 

Deleting would be giving up, it would be, in essence, vandalization, even if it's a small page with little information.

Pyro - (Talk)01:28, 14 April 2012
 

Bit of a late reply, but...

Yeah, I agree with Pyro. Deleting this page goes against the reason for the wiki's existence in the first place - efficiently conveying wanted Mabinogi information to players.

As for notability...I did already say these tidbits are notable because they clear up any potential confusion from the inconsistencies. You did take a vote, but if I remember correctly, the only reason that so far against Shakespeare's trivia is that "it's of minor importance" (which sounds like an opinion to me), and the sole reason as of now against Lugh (and Cromm)'s re-entry is that they're not gods (which we've decided they're not, but that has no correlation with them being placed inside the trivia section to note they've been "called" gods). It's true that so far, community opinion is swayed against those two trivia points, but I have to admit I'd be hesitant to act on that without logical justification.

(Though, it doesn't have to be under "Trivia", I'm fine with Saiyr's solution as well.)

Accuracy is pretty important too. Being as accurate as possible can mean looking at both sides of a distinguishing barrier and/or specifying.

Akira02:55, 16 April 2012
 

Don't want to leave this conversation dead without actually getting anything decided, so I'm going to summarize and finalize the changes.

"Shakespeare trivia" is to be put back in the page.
Reason: Avoid confusion that may arise from perceivable contradiction, demonstrate nature of gods.
Counterargument: Not relevant enough, not notable enough, community opinion against.

Lugh and Cromm will be listed as having being called gods (when they don't appear to be).
Reason: Clarify that they are not considered gods despite the statement.
Counterargument: Not relevant enough, not notable enough, not actually gods and thus shouldn't belong on this page.

It should be noted that it is my opinion that the reason for both outweighs the counterargument for both. That's not really an argument I want to start, though, so I'll just state here that I believe specific points help improve quality more than general ones (which was most of the counterarguments), and hope everyone just nods along.

Akira21:11, 1 May 2012