Talk:Metallurgy/Archive/00

Whats the point of the Gems that are collected? --Zaros 21:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

They can be given as gifts to NPCs for special rewards. They can also be used to upgrade armor and shields in future updates. I don't quite know how that upgrade system works, but it does exist. ---Angevon 21:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

They are also used as food for Ego Weapons. --Sai 00:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone give us more info on the jewels, as this is coming out next patch? -- Ladywinter 23:02, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Will you really get 10 Finest leathers if you give Ethna a Jasper?--Tricky B 09:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

It is true. but It's rare. --Juff 00:59, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

• If you gift jewels to NPC, NPCs will give items.
• For example: Ethna(Jasper) : Pet Rescue Kit, Handicraft Kit, Finest Leather x 10, Stone Zombie's Eye, Pot-belly Spider's Pot, etc.

One thing about giving NPC's gems. If you give them a gem that isn't their favorite you won't get anything. I gave Alexina a Star Sapphire and got nothing. Koil 03:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Exploration Level to get the quest

A friend of mine said he tried to obtain Metallurgy with an alt with total exploration level at 1 and could not get the quest from Effie til he was at 6. Does anyone know if this is current exploration level or total exploration level? --Powder Rune 16:58, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe it means total. I was at level one Exploration, but my total was 24 at the time, and I successfully got Metallurgy. --Aramet 17:30, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I have reason to believe that the required exploration level to get the quest from Effie is actually 6. However, level 5 with 100% without the cap quest completed still counts for it, which is why people were able to get it at exploration level 5 without doing the cap quest. Blargel 02:59, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Locations

Here are simple markers for Metallurgy Sites.

It seems not all beaches sparkle? Ceann doesnt have any sparkling areas for me and I just wanted to confirm this with everyone else. I didnt see the north beach at filia sparkle either. -- Ashe

I don't think Port Ceann is a metallurgy site. I know Port Quilla and South Connous Beach are. I have yet to check Cor. --Powder Rune 18:38, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Port Qilla, South Connous Beach, North Connous Beach, South Muyu, South Karu, North of Cor Village, and Cat Island are all the beaches. Elkay Falls are the only river metallurgy site. ~(Cosmic 19:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC))

Why does the map indicate that the area around Renes in Zardine are metalurgy sites? --Dias 01:00, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Renes has a metallurgy site. Not sure about Zardine. --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 01:02, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Jewel Upgrades

Can someone post the complete list?--Voichi 18:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

But Jewel Upgrades are not even out yet? Might be hard to do that legitably ._. -- Ashe

I could point you to the right website, but it's in korean. I was planning on including them sometime at G8 or G9 since then is when it will be implemented (most likely G9 with Alchemy). --Sweetspot 16:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Ore Rarity

Anyone notice that Silvers seem to drop less often than Gems? I propose that the following change be made.

Current: General finding rates: Iron Ore > Copper Ore > Silver Ore > Gold Ore > Mythril Ore > Jewel/Gemstone

Revised: General finding rates: Iron Ore > Copper Ore > Gold Ore > Mythril Ore > Silver Ore > Jewel/Gemstone - Kannaa 02:57, 18 July 2009 (PST)

i've found over 20 silver ores and 0 gems. --Kevin _(»Talk«) 10:04, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I've found (Slightly rounded) 40 Iron, 40 Copper, 4 Gold, 3 Mythril, 3 Silver,and 2 Gemstones. Rank F Metallurgy ftw? Also I find Copper and Iron to be about the same in drop rate for me.--Tricky B 11:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I've gotten 65 iron, 16 copper, 2 silver and 1 gold. none/nada gems and mythril. Rank N... XD --Sweetspot 17:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, sort of the same topic: the page says there are 2 different types of ore sites, with varying ore probabilities, but it doesn't say which sites are which. Why bother telling us if we can't readily distinguish between the two?

I kinda thought that the colours were a dead giveaway.--Mystickskye 02:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Wait, hold on. I misunderstood. I thought the map location of the metallurgy area was the determining factor, not the color of the shiny spot. My bad.--Kong 04:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Golden Sparkling Areas

Does anyone know what the Golden Sparkling marks do?
Do they increase success rate, increase chance of finding a gem, or what?
I speculate increased Gem chance, but then again, it's just speculation, and I'm not entirely sure.
Whatever it is, if anyone knows, I think it could be useful to add it to the Metallurgy article. ~Rusty~

I updated with the explanation of when/how/why the gold appear and behave. --Eos 02:29, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Wait you mean I wasn't going insane? I failed on all of them, so I doubt increased success rates. Maybe better drops.--Tricky B 13:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I noticed that the gold sparkly areas happened when it was raining. It might have some relation to the weather? ---Demaetri 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

They only appear when it's raining. Also, after completing the Metallurgy quest, Effie tells you to look out for colored sparkles because they may have better rewards or something along those lines. --Aramet 17:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Direct quote:

Metallurgists love rainy days because the rain lifts ores from the ground, making them float on the water. They have a better chance at finding rare ores on these days. I've heard that rare ores reflect light differently than common ones, but I don't know if that's true since I've never seen such an ore. -Effie --Aramet 17:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I noticed that the time in which Gold deposits appear is off. I'm not quite sure what time they appear at, or if they even appear at a specific time, but it started raining around 3:00pm at Cor Metallurgy site, and sure enough, Gold deposits started to appear.--Zephyre^TALK 08:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

It definitely requires additional research to determine if it's a multiple trigger or if it varies from beach to beach. I used Irai and Rano for my testing and night was the trigger for both, with or without rain. To be absolutely certain the color really meant what we believed it did I even turned on the label names over them so you tell at a glance from a distance which was which.--Eos367 11:13, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

So what we're getting at is different Metallurgy Sites have different patterns for deposit spawns? When I was metallurging, the Gold Deposits remained well after 6am. I only realised they were gone a while after it stopped raining, which was around 3pm. --Zephyre^TALK 12:05, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Either that or it's something else we're mistaking for the actual trigger. In Irai it hadn't been raining and the gold started appearing after dusk, then by 6 am the gold vanished on their own even though noone was there mining and iron replaced them. Rano behaved a little differently though with the gold appearing after dark but starting to vanish a full in game hour earlier than observed in Irai.--Eos367 12:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you think it's a possibility that it doesn't need to be raining, but merely cloudy? --Zephyre^TALK 19:34, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Maybe I should've said something sooner... I have a char that I use mainly for metallurgy (and refining the ores so I can make monies). Not to be rude (PPPPLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSEEEEEE excuse my blunt nature), but I thought it was generally kinda obvious. Gold sparklies only appear when its raining. The exact start/end point I'm not sure of (because they don't appear/disappear RIGHT when it starts/ends raining). Anywho, I put what I know on that section with basically the same title a few sections down. Erm yea. Feel free to prove me wrong, I love a good argument. (noreally, I do o.o)--αму^ταιқ♪♫_♪ 19:20, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Jewels and egos

As all probably know by now, egos absolutely love jewels. So I've been doing a little study on what stats which jewels raise and so far I think they're always the same. Need confirmation. And I'm unsure if a jewel always gives out max possible stats. My ego is only level 1 after all. Going to go get some at the waterfall to test those now~

Jasper: Will
Star Sapphire: INT, DEX
Ruby: Will, Luck
Aquamarine: STR, DEX
Garnet: STR, INT, DEX
Topaz: INT, Luck
Spinel: INT, DEX, Will, Luck
Emerald: STR
Diamond: STR, INT, DEX, Will, Luck

--Melodious 19:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

What kind of ego weapon do you have? I have a bow and Ruby gives all of them, not exactly MAX for each level (and she was unhappy too), but a bit to each. And the Star Sapphire gave Str.

--Imi

Interesting... I have a female sword ego (gladius) and I always feed when unhappy. 100% efficiency and all. Still working on getting more jewels at the moment. Getting them at the waterfall is a pain in the rear. I'm killing my eyes I tell you, they should make it a little more obvious. More results on that later. Also, I'm pretty confident that the jewels always give the same stats if you give the same jewel. Now wondering if the size of it changes anything. I'll have to see when my ego gets higher than lvl 1 because now it's 6 points every time >_>--Melodious 21:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't the stats received from an item vary depending on what type and gender the ego is? For example, a Round Shield adds to Strength for my male blunt ego, but it adds to Luck for a female sword ego and Dexterity for a male wand ego. --Aramet 23:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Good news, studies are over. So yeah apparently jewels will give different stats depending of the spirit. So how are we supposed to fit that in those pages? Gonna need some new concept to add jewels since they give more than a single type of stats... Anywho, list for Female Sword updated. --Melodious 05:45, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Haven't we been doing that all the time? That's why we have different pages for type of ego / gender of ego...?-Kevin _(»Talk«) 21:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

But for now only regular items are listed. With the arrival of jewels and their attribute to upgrade more than a single stat at a time, we'll have to either make a different table for jewels or add each jewel on every stat table it affects. For example, a star sapphire in the female sword page would have to be on both the INT and DEX table. Sooo, how do we proceed? --Melodious 03:14, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

It needs to be noted that the amount of exp gained by feeding jewels seems to depends solely on jewel type and size, as well (with appropriate gain caps observed). --Inemnitable 06:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Gem Keyword

I'm looking at the page right now and it says: "Talk to NPCs using "Gem" keyword to find out which jewel they prefer." Does anyone know how to get the keyword. I'm kinda thinking it has to do with those collection books from Alexina. Koil 23:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I think you get it either when you finish the quest to reach rank F Metallurgy from Effie or actually rank it to F. Sisakat 05:35, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I got the keyword last night on my giant when I finished the quest--Demaetri 00:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I got the keyword as soon as I equipped a metallurgy seive, which was before I had done the quest. Goldfishesed 20:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Wednesday

Didn't the Erin walker 2, say that we can drop more gems on Wednesday? Its in the guide so should we comment on that?selfbane

Added. --Kevin _(»Talk«) 02:23, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Gems/Jewels?

As far as I know, they're referred to in-game as gems yet the wiki article says Jewels. Any specific reason for this or can I just go ahead and change all instances of jewels to gems?--Mystickskye 12:18, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

This should answer your question. Everyone call them gems but the real term should be jewels to avoid confusion. I changed the terms in the discussion above myself for that reason. --Melodious 12:42, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd already seen that and don't think it's too good a reason to change the name. If anything, this arbitrary name change on your part could lead to more confusion than without. People aren't going to see "Gems" in-game and then come onto the wiki and look for "jewels".--Mystickskye 07:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

They're going to search for gems and get on the wrong page. So yeah, for now, I'm forcing everyone ingame to call them jewels. Hah maybe we can get Nexon to change it to jewel >.> --Melodious 13:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

If they get the wrong page it'd be because the Wiki users made an arbitrary decision to suit their tastes. As it is, the gems are already all in "Category:Gems"--Mystickskye 13:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Sword Spirit Jewel List anyone? Yum yum. --Kevin _(»Talk«) 06:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

wikipedia calls them gemstones.--Hengsheng120·^TALK_CONTRIBS 07:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

REALLY?

ITS UNCAPPED!!@?#!@?#? --Kevin _(»Talk«)

No.--αму^ταιқ♪♫_♪ 19:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Still no. Mack

Yes! :D IHarryl 07:36, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Jewels moved to separate page

This page is about a skill and not to describe items, so I moved the Jewel section to a separate Gems page. --Sweetspot 10:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Detail

once again, all the information here should be about the skill (Metallurgy) and the last 3~4 lines under details are describing/detailing about Gems or contain repeated information. --Sweetspot 10:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Success rate %

The skill description for each level, in the game and here on the wiki, has a % increase in success rate. Does this success rate stack, or is it like the description for Defense that shows the TOTAL added def? And what is the initial % success rate for metallurgy, not counting variables like rain? I'd like to know what the actual base success rate is for the skill at each rank.  ;< --Wolfy

Rank 9: 2 Ores?

When metallurgy is rank 9, you're able to collect 2 ores per use of metallurgy. If you DO get 2 ores, are they always going to be both the same or can there be a combination of ores? Ie: 2 silver, 2 gold, 2 mythril, but never 1silver/1gold, 1myhtril/1iron etc?--Demaetri 19:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

When you get multiple ores with the skill, all ores are the same type. It's also not a 100% chance, sometimes you still only get one ore but it's a pretty high chance still. And a final note, getting more than one ore only counts once for skill training.--Qaccy 21:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry, I should've specified that when I added the stuff about 2 ores at a time. It didn't even occur to me that there might be a combination of ores collected, so I didn't think to mention they're the same. I added it in now.  :) --Wolfy

Unknown Ores

Are gems able to come up along with unknown ores? And are unknown ores able to come up 2 at a time at rank 9? --GN54 16:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

You get unknown ores when the skill fails so I'd be inclined to say no to both.--Mystickskye 00:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Quest Flaw

Apparently, with my elf I was able to asked for a quest scroll, dropped it, and asked again, up to 6 scrolls held in my inventory... I finished 4 of them and got to complete them 4 times! That's 10k exp and 2k gold from this! --Dra6o0n 19:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

In the time it takes to do that a good player could very feasibly get more exp and gold by doing a dungeon or something...--Mystickskye 03:20, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Golden Sparkle Times

The statement about the gold areas appearing during 6pm to 5am appear to be untrue, or at least at Quilla Port. The gold areas only seem to appear when it's raining and they disappear soon after the rain passes. I'll continue metallurgy-ing(?) to gather more info o.o --Δκυmσ - ταłκ 18:21, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I thought its somewhere on this page... Gold sparkles appear REALLY soon after there's the little message "It is raining", and disappear REALLY soon after "The sky is clearing up". In most cases, when the rain has stopped, there's the message "The rain has stopped" or something, and then there's "The sky is beginning to clear up". Between those two messages is when the gold sparkles still continue to stay (and during the rain, of course). I doubt it's important, but if a sparkle disappears WHILE you're panning, you get a message saying that you couldn't find anything. Anywho, that's all that I know of.--αму^ταιқ♪♫_♪ 19:04, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Novice Rank

I could be wrong, and I'm too lazy to prove it wrong/right, but I do believe there is a novice rank. You get the novice rank from just equipping the seive, and I'm going to guess the requirements are like.. "Learn from other people or books", iunno, in which you'd get the quest, do it, etc.etc. I ran into someone who had novice rank metallurgy (and was metallurgying), who said he didn't do the quest yet. Its just a theory.--αму^ταιқ♪♫_♪ 19:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

There is a novice rank, and it's usable... now why isn't it in the chart? Hmmm... *edits*. --Inemnitable 01:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, it seems the vast majority of skills that are usable at Novice rank don't have their Novice rank listed in their charts. The only ones I could find in a cursory search were Fireball, Ice Spear, and Cooking. As I'm not sure about the wiki policy on this, I'll leave it the way it is for now. It's not like it takes a lot of time to get rF or anything. --Inemnitable 01:21, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Dexterity's effect on success rate

Does dexterity have any effect on success rate? I equipped the "Butterfingers" (Dex -20, Luck -20, Protection +5) title in order to get failures while refining, and I noticed afterwards I was getting far fewer successes in metallurgy than I was with the "All Knowing" (Int +20, Dex +20 Will -30, Max HP -5, Max MP -5) title. It may be just a coincidence. Monkeyfetus 03:49, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Nope its not coincidence, Dexterity affects many life skills... that or you were just not very lucky :S--Marthian 23:24, 28 January 2011 (PST)

Sparkles reset at midnight server time?

I was at South Connous Beach at midnight Pacific Time when suddenly all the sparkles disappeared. After a few minutes, the message saying that "Today is so-and-so..." scrolled above, and the sparkles reappeared but at different locations. Has anyone else noticed this? Should it be mentioned somewhere in the article? Eralea 07:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they do reset at midnight.--~Shadoe 06:46, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Load time

I noticed that the skill takes less time to load at r5 than it does at r6. Would someone confirm this for me?--Price 06:01, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Just checked the game files, and it says it's 2 seconds upto rank6, then 1.5 seconds for ranks 5-2, then 1 second at rank1. I'll add load time to the chart right now.--Sozen Cratos Focker 05:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)