Talk:Mana Crystallization

Making Crystals

I probably am not the only wondering, but im guessing just because you have mana forming and an advanced magic, what is the process to making an "advanced magic" crystal? After you receive mana forming and an advanced magic, do you require materials before making the crystal, and do you need to use a furnace? --~Christian Kenney~ 04:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I have soem information i need help putting into this page. because i suck at editing, i will just post it here, and hope someone else will be able ot help my add it in perhaps? So heres what i found, regarding my question earlier, i have actually stumbled upon the answer myself. The first requirement obviosuly is to obtain mana forming, but how does one use it? Well, like making any other crystals, one must have the materials which is not listed in this page, and i had nto found. For each of the three advanced magics, a crystal of their respective elemental properties is needed. Fireball needs a fire crystal, ice spear, a water crystal, and thunder needs a wind crystal. As i sat there observing another character making crystals, he had a phoenix fire wand equipped, and began casting fireball, but i observed this was no ordinary casting, because it was maybe twice the speed of fireball. he cast it to the max number of charges and then threw the fireball into the furnace. Because of this i am led to believe the process of such involves a furnace, the required wand type, the spell, a crystal of the right element, and for fireball in this case fully charged. however, i cannot say whether thunder or ice spear requires a full charge to create a crystal. i shall research this further and post more information. ~Christian Kenney~ 05:44, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Thats some interesting info you found there. as for the speed of casting, a phoenix wand upgraded the right way gets -40% casting time. so that's probably why they cased so fast. any way this probably has something to do with the "Create a crystal using another player's Mana" training. implying that you can have some one else cast the spell into the furnace for you. which would mean you don't actually have the spell, just know some one who does. of course, these are just theories based on what you found.--(not-so)Anonymous 02:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Could be like Enchant's Entrust feature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BladeBlade (talk • contribs) . Please always sign your comments with the button or by typing ~~~~!

All Crystals?

This has been bugging me for a while. Is mana crystallization used to make all of the crystals (except the basic ones of course) or just the adv magic ones?--(not-so)Anonymous 11:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Define "all". --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 11:10, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Any crystal listed that has a recipe, i.e. Barrier Spikes, Summon Golem, but not the basic ones like Clay and Wind.Novaix 11:18, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

What he/she said, sorry i wasn't clear, and if it isn't then what skill is? (if any)--(not-so)Anonymous 12:01, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Mana crystallization only makes adv. magic crystals. You need the respective skills to make the other crystals (ie: Summon golem for golem crystals, Barrier Spikes for barrier crystlas -Kotarou3 09:45, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Success Rates

Ok the thing about the success rate for mana crystalization is based on different things. 1. Adv magic crstyal success rate is only dependant on the Mana crystalization rate. 2. At rank 4 mana crystalization i still have the Novice success rate for golem crystal making and barrier crystal making. So you have to rank those skills to have higher %. The summoning speed for Golem is faster due to the mana crystal rank though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Archibald (talk • contribs) . Please always sign your comments with the button or by typing ~~~~!

The Mana Crystallization skill is used for all Crystals that you make, but only affects the success rates for advanced magic ones.--Sozen Cratos Focker 21:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Load Time

Is the load time for the Mana Crystallization skill (i.e. creating the crystals) or the advanced magic action (i.e. firing the crystal)?Novaix 10:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, same thing for the mana usageNovaix 12:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Load time is for using the crystal, mp use is for making the crystal --Sozen Cratos Focker 21:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that each magic loads at a different speed - Ice Spear is the fastest, while Fireball is the slowest. The chart, however, only indicates one speed which seems longer than any of the three magics. I'll provide more info when I have time, but as it is the chart seems incorrect. --Justified 08:47, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I just did a test of this and it seems Fireball and Thunder load the same speed but Ice Spear is definitely faster than the other two. This may be affected by the rank of the crystal used as well. No time to test now, can someone else do it?--Saix7 10:23, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

The JP Wiki page updated their loading times based on rank. It shows a base cast time at rF>r6 of 6 seconds, then r5>r2 of 5 seconds, and r1 of 4 seconds. I assume that the crystal rank's loading time is added on to the base, as rank A Ice Spear crystals load slightly slower than rank 9 Ice Spear crystals with the same rank of Mana Crystalization. I can go test this as far as time. Hypothesis: r9+ IS crystal at r1 MC will load in 4+2 seconds, and a rA IS crystal will load 4+2.5 seconds. Here's a direct link to the page: http://mabinogi.wikiwiki.jp/index.php?%A5%B9%A5%AD%A5%EB%2F%CF%A3%B6%E2%BD%D1%2F%A5%DE%A5%CA%A5%D5%A5%A9%A1%BC%A5%DF%A5%F3%A5%B0 --DarkPengi 18:49, 5 January 2011 (PST)

Crystal Rank

Rank F Mana Crystalization (I think it was) + Rank F Alchemy Mastery + Rank 1 Fireball (no entrust) -> Rank 9 Fireball Crystal

Rank E Mana Crystalization + Rank 1 Fireball (entrusted) -> Rank 7 Fireball Crystal

Rank E Mana Crystalization + Rank E Alchemy Mastery + Rank F Icespear (no entrust) -> Rank F/ Rank E Ice Spear Crystals

Maybe Adv magic crystals are dependant on mana crystalization rank. (Maybe it only happens with number rank skills)

-Tsukuyomai (02/12/10) 8:06 pm PST

More numbers:

Rank E Mana Crystalization + Rank D Alchemy Mastery (Mana Crystalizer) + Rank D Thunder (entrusted) -> Rank E/D/C Thunder Crystal (02/12/10) 9:52 pm PST

Rank F Mana Cryst + Rank Novice Alchemy Mastry + Rank A Ice Spear (entrusted -> Rank C Ice Spear Crystal --Yuuka 08:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

More testd: Rank 4 Mana crystalization + Rank 1 Fireball --> Rank 4,5 Fireball Crystals. Rank 4 Mana crystalization + Rank 8 Thunder --> Rank 7,8,9,A Thunder Crystals

I think the crystal rank is affected by if the charges were entrusted or not as well. Some random stranger I was talking to was making r7 and r8 Ice Spear crystals with r1 IS, yet when I entrusted my r1 IS charges to him, they came out as r6. Blargel 04:36, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Was your wand upgraded?--Sozen Cratos Focker 19:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't even use crown ice wands so I don't have damage upgrades. I don't remember what the other guy was using. Blargel 09:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

The reason I believe entrusting yields higher rank crystals than not entrusting is also because of this line in the skill's description: "Although you can use your own magic to perform Mana Crystallization, it's not recommended because of the difficulty in handling both Alchemy and your own magic simultaneously. (It would ultimately be subpar to using someone else's magic.) " Blargel 10:00, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

"**Entrusted crystals may be a higher rank than non-entrusted crystals, even if both members have the same rank of advanced magic."

I'm removing this line till there's proof that the difference in crystal rank wasn't caused by differences in stats or other skills.--Sozen Cratos Focker 22:09, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if you can count this as proof but I have rank 1 Mana Crystallization, rank 9 Alchemy Mastery, and rank 1 all adv magic. Alone I made rank 4, but with someone who had the same ranks we make rank 3+ crystals.--Saix7 09:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

If you were doing it with the same wand, (or you both used wands with the exact same upgrade path) then I think that would prove it. If you were using different wands and you're going to test again, writing down your int and dex and his couldn't hurt.--Sozen Cratos Focker 08:22, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

This was with 2 different wands but neither one had enchants or upgrades. Dex also has no effect but I did notice an increase in rank while in an Int roll in trans. I'm thinking that it may add the damage if I cast the magic and the damage if the other person cast, and then average the number. I'm still not sure entirely but I personally had to entrust to make rank 1 crystals for mastery of the skill.--Saix7 09:05, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

try using your charges for someone with the same rank alch mast and mp cryst as you, see if there's any difference in the rank, or proportions of each rank if it's in the same rank range.--Sozen Cratos Focker 18:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I tested and in a video we showed our results. There is also proof that wand damage upgrades effect crystal ranks. Enjoy: [1]--Saix7 17:48, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Good enough. I know this is unlikely to effect it but Did you two have the same rank Mana Crystallization and Alchemy Mastery?--Sozen Cratos Focker 09:34, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, same rank Ice Spear, same rank MC, and same rank AM.--Saix7 10:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

wands make a difference

yesterday(friday) someone with rank 4 Mana Crystallization and(i think(since they said they rank both skills together)) Alch Mast, and I(rank3 IS, -18%mp wand) produced ~25 rank 5 crystals and -15 rank 6 crystals(they're in my bag and i have no service now so don't know exact number) all 5charge

Today, with another person who had rank4 MC and probably rank4 AM, and with me (still rank3 IS) using the same wand made several rank 5 and 2 rank 6 crystals, with my ego wand (23-26 damage) we made a few rank5 1 rank6 and 1 rank7 with +10% dmg crown ice wand we made several 5s and rank 4s Apparently, the damage boosts from your wand affect the outcome, and ego wands don't count--Sozen Cratos Focker 20:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Could someone check to see if speed upgraded fire/lightning wands change anything?--Sozen Cratos Focker 08:23, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Tested this out just now and wand speed upgrades have no effect on how fast a crystal loads.--Saix7 09:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I meant check to see if upgrades other than damage effect the rank of the crystal made, so that we can know if it's controlled by the fact that the wand is upgraded, or if it's just based on the damage you would have done had you fired the spell without crystallization, looks like it's the later. As soon as we determine weather or not entrusting effects success rate, i think, we'll be ready to start working on a formula for what rank crystals will be made, probably something like potential damage times success rate, but maybe the damage multipliers from mp cryst and alch mast have something to do with it to.--Sozen Cratos Focker 18:41, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I was helping a guildie make crystals for ranking Mana crystallization. I have Rank F Ice spear and Rank F Fireball. Ice spear came out rank B when I'm doing the casting and he's doing the Mana crystalling, at r5. My ice spear wand is upgraded to +4 cc and has Mana Magician and an ice element on it. When doing the same with fireball (not upgraded wand) all we got were rank F. I'd almost think the formula is (Rank of caster's magic)/(Rank of Alchemists Mana Crystallization)+bonus rank(probably based on damage, since everything else was constant.) After all the ranking I have 11 different stacks of ice spear, Rank F, C, 7, 8, 6, and B. So Rank F IS + Rank 6 crystal = Rank B Ice spear crystal. The ones that were rank 7/8/6 were done when he was doing it by himself, but I think he has rank 1 ice spear. KisaiTenshi 21:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Also with the same wand, if I was doing it myself, I'd get rank F, or E (that's with AM/MC at F), the upgrades on the wand are only -MP consumption upgrades, regular ice wand. KisaiTenshi 21:44, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Even more numbers: (all charges were entrusted, 1 charge per crystal)

Rank 6 Crystallization + Rank 1 Ice Spear (411 int, +28% Magic Damage Crown Ice Wand) = 7x Rank 5, 69x Rank 4, 48x Rank 3. Sunureu13 16:57, 05 October 2010

Here's a test: Rank 1 Crystallization + Rank 1 Ice Spear (758 INT (Infra Black INT Roll), +28% Magic Damage Crown Ice Wand) + Rank 8 Alchemy Mastery = about 60% Rank 1 Crystals, 20% Rank 2 Crystals, and 10% Rank 3 Crystals.--DarkPengi 18:55, 5 January 2011 (PST)

Damage reduction compare to actual spells

I noticed the % of actual adv spell dmg multiplier is not in the skill rank table... I think it's important and should be added onto the table. Kgptzac 19:23, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty new at looking thru the .pack files, but is var1 of manaforming in the skill_leveldetail.xml the damage modifier? It looks about right. The values are (from novice to rank 1): .5, .5, .52, .54, .56, .58, .6, .62, .64, .66, .68, .71, .73, .75, .77, .8 --Dias

Does alchemy mastery rank effect damage from spell crystals? I find it hard to believe that they'd limit it to no more than 80% dmg AND not let it crit..--Sozen Cratos Focker 23:07, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Each Mana Crystalization Rank allows you to do more of the original spell damage of the same quality crystal. For example, a person with r1 Mana Crystalization will do 2,400 damage, maximum, with a r1 Fireball Crystal while a person who is rF, using the same crystal will deal at most 1,500. The big difference also is that at r1, you can load the Fireball Crystal in 8 seconds compared to someone who is lower who can only load it in 12 seconds. Alchemy Mastery, I suppose, does not affect the actual damage of the skill, however I do believe that Alchemy Mastery affects the Quality of the Crystal that comes out. One of the reasons, which is my theory, of why entrusting is better than casting yourself is that your partner's AM rank is also taken into consideration. With that said, may I format the table? --Miyuna 15:52, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Some information of Mana Crystallization

Probably the data about the Mana Crystals' damage from Japan Mabinogi Wiki is wrong.

As some players in Taiwan has finished the experiment about the Mana Crystals, they found that:
1. The damage of Mana Crystals is fixed.
2. The quality of the Mana Crystals depends on the result of comparing "the final damage of the advance magic skills that you have used in front of the Steam Oven" and "the reference value of crystal quality".
(So we can know that the intelligent of the character, the Damage-altering upgrades and enchants will indirectly affect the quality of the Mana Crystals, but not directly.)
3. The rank of Alchemy Mastery and advance magic skills will not affect the damage of the Mana Crystals.

Actually, in theskill_leveldetail.xml, those data about advance magic skills has got a attribute called Var7. It seems that Var7 is the reference value of crystal quality which is used to match with "the final damage" talked above. (Not Proofed)


I'm sorry about my poor English. I've tried my best. =P
(Player from Hong Kong, --Notapuff 09:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC))

Is this why my friend keeps on doing 1's and 2's with my rE thunder crystals? and only does about 30~40 with a rF fireball crystal? ~kotarou3 (talk) 09:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

About Ice Spear Crystals

I've gotten in the habit of making 5 charge ice spears to abuse in those basic Taillteann Defensive missions for my friends who need g9 done and I noticed something weird about the crystallized ice spear chains. As most people know, ice spear explodes upon defeating an enemy and chains to surrounding enemies with reduced damage. From my experience, the damage reduction should be around 50% so it quickly loses damage. However, crystallized ice spear doesn't seem to have the reduced damage from chains. I did around 700 damage with my crystal on a group of enemies and it chained to the surrounding enemies for around 700 damage again. Anyone else notice this? Blargel 22:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I noticed the same thing. I was using some lower ranked 1 charge crystals, so it was doing between 100-120 damage, and the damage was consistent throughout each chain explosion. Sunureu13 16:54, 05 October 2010

The JP wiki mentions that in their article. I added that to this one.Strill 09:23, 24 December 2010 (PST)

Is it just me or does ice spear no longer chain?

Since there is no longer an indication of skill ranks on magic crystals, does int. magic skill ranks affect magic crystals at all?

I'm asking if either:

• 1. Base damage of crystal is assumed to be r1 of int magic
• 2. Base damage is affected by your current rank of int magic
• 3. Base damage uses mana crystallization rank (ex. r5 mana crystallization= r5 Fireball/IS/TH)

It's 3 I think, but it doesn't make much of a difference because the magic crystals don't take into account any of your stats so they're obscenely weak compared to a similar rank normal intermediate magic. Even more so than before.

How does ^ affect MC? Especially about the part of crystal strength. I don't want to mess anything up.

Basically nothing, all that's different with MC is the Ice Spear, Thunder, & Fireball crystals no longer have ranks, that & shock, golem, raincasting, lifedrain crystals can't be made anymore.

What do you mean? Doesn't Alchemy Mastery, Transmutation, etc. affect MC?

How does the damage fair now if its based on our rank?

I can't seem to use this skill with less then 5 charges. I'm rD and it always shows x/5 charges for all three skills. Did they change this skill to where you have to always use 5 charges?

Apparently so. Not quite sure when this change occurred, though.

It`s not mentioned on the page, but the mastery rank of the respective element does affect the crystal rank. r1 magic mastery, r7 fireball, r7 ice spear, r1 transmutation, r3 crystallization, r7 alch mastery.

Fire mastery is rank8, and can produce r9-rA fb crystals. Ice mastery is rank9, and can make rA-rB IS crystals. rA ice mastery resulted in rB-rC IS crystals.

Ice wand had only mana usage reduction upgrade, fire wand was phoenix with 40% speed -6% damage upgrade.

Edit: using a clean fire wand without damage reduction resulted in r9-r8 FB crystals with r7 FB and r8 fire mastery, ice spear was same as mentioned above.

Edit2: Tried again after ranking ice mastery to r5, and i`m getting r8-r9 IS crystals with very same equipment, titles, wand, weather, so it certainly does affect the mana crystal rank.

I did a bunch of load time tests with the crystals I had available, as well a perfect skill reset capsule. To measure the load times, I used a stopwatch to time from when the skill button was pressed to when the crystal loading animation finished. Times also include time due to human response delay and any game latency, so the real values will be slightly lower, by perhaps 0.2-0.4 seconds.

Results showed that the load time is a combination of the load time from your Mana Crystallization rank as well as the type and rank of the advanced magic crystal, about equal to the time to load one charge.

The data also strongly suggests the load times listed for Ice Spear are off by 0.05 seconds at rC and 0.1 seconds at r9, and that the Load Time listed for Fireball is not 4 but closer to 4.5 seconds. I cannot verify high ranks of Ice Spear, but auto-charging 5 charges of fireball does take 22.5 seconds plus a little more for latency, so I will update the respective pages.

From my data, Mana Crystallization load time is N + T, where:

• N is 7 for Mana Crystallization rF-r6.
• N is 6 for Mana Crystallization r5-r2.
• N is 5 for Mana Crystallization r1.
• T is 4.5 seconds for Fireball.
• T is 2-1.5 seconds for Ice Spear, depending on crystal rank.
• T is 5-3 seconds for Thunder, depending on crystal rank.

These are the values I am updating the Mana Crystallization page with.

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What follows is the raw data I collected. Times are in seconds, and the three lowest recorded times listed.

Mana Crystallization rF: (N = 7.4 av, rounds down to 7 seconds)

• FB r8 5c: 11.92 11.89 11.84 (Minus 4 spell load time = 7.84 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 4.45)
• FB rC 5c: 11.90 11.86 11.83 (Minus 4 spell load time = 7.83 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 4.45)
• No differences, within margin of error

• IS r4 5c: 8.92 8.88 8.83 (Minus 1.6 spell load time = 7.23 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 1.45)
• IS rC 5c: 9.21 9.17 9.12 (Minus 1.8 spell load time = 7.32 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 1.75)
• IS rD 5c: 9.48 9.42 9.39 (Minus 2 spell load time = 7.39 crystallization load time)
• Diff r4-rC = 0.29
• Diff rC-rD = 0.26333
• Total = 0.55333

• TH r4 1c: 11.01 10.96 10.89 (Minus 3.5 spell load time = 7.39 crystallization load time)
• TH r6 1c: 11.00 10.98 10.89 (Minus 3.5 spell load time = 7.39 crystallization load time)
• TH r8 5c: 11.52 11.46 11.40 (Minus 4 spell load time = 7.4 crystallization load time)
• TH rC 5c: 12.45 12.41 12.39 (Minus 5 spell load time = 7.39 crystallization load time)
• TH rD 5c: 12.46 12.41 12.37 (Minus 5 spell load time = 7.37 crystallization load time)
• Diff r4/6-r8 = 0.505
• Diff r8-rC/D = 0.955
• Total = 1.46

Mana Crystallization r5: (N = 6.4 av, rounds down to 6 seconds)

• FB r8 5c: 10.90 10.84 10.81 (Minus 4 spell load time = 6.81 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 4.4)
• FB rC 5c: 10.93 10.89 10.80 (Minus 4 spell load time = 6.80 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 4.4)
• No differences, within margin of error

• IS r4 5c: 7.92 7.89 7.88 (Minus 1.6 spell load time = 6.28 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 1.5)
• IS rC 5c: 8.23 8.21 8.16 (Minus 1.8 spell load time = 6.36 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 1.75)
• IS rD 5c: 8.45 8.41 8.36 (Minus 2 spell load time = 6.36 crystallization load time)
• Diff r4-rC = 0.30333
• Diff rC-rD = 0.20666
• Total = 0.50999

• TH r4 1c: 9.93 9.91 9.87 (Minus 3.5 spell load time = 6.37 crystallization load time)
• TH r6 1c: 9.92 9.87 9.84 (Minus 3.5 spell load time = 6.34 crystallization load time)
• TH r8 5c: 10.43 10.40 10.38 (Minus 4 spell load time = 6.38 crystallization load time)
• TH rC 5c: 11.45 11.44 11.41 (Minus 5 spell load time = 6.41 crystallization load time)
• TH rD 5c: 11.48 11.43 11.41 (Minus 5 spell load time = 6.41 crystallization load time)
• Diff r4/6-r8 = 0.51333
• Diff r8-rC/D = 1.03333
• Total = 1.54666

Mana Crystallization r1: (N = 5.3 av, times may be 0.1 off here, compared to above ranks, rounds down to 5 seconds)

• FB r7 5c: 9.87 9.75 9.71 (Minus 4 spell load time = 5.71 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 4.4)
• FB r8 5c: 9.89 9.81 9.74 (Minus 4 spell load time = 5.74 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 4.45)
• FB r9 5c: 9.86 9.78 9.75 (Minus 4 spell load time = 5.75 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 4.45)
• FB rA 5c: 9.89 9.85 9.76 (Minus 4 spell load time = 5.76 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 4.45)
• FB rC 5c: 9.89 9.86 9.71 (Minus 4 spell load time = 5.71 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 4.4)
• No differences, within margin of error

• IS r4 5c: 6.88 6.87 6.76 (Minus 1.6 spell load time = 5.16 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 1.45)
• IS rC 5c: 7.15 7.08 7.03 (Minus 1.8 spell load time = 5.23 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 1.75)
• IS rD 5c: 7.41 7.40 7.38 (Minus 2 spell load time = 5.38 crystallization load time, implies should be closer to 2.1)
• Diff r4-rC = 0.25
• Diff rC-rD = 0.31
• Total = 0.56

• TH r4 1c: 8.91 8.89 8.87 (Minus 3.5 spell load time = 5.37 crystallization load time)
• TH r6 1c: 8.94 8.91 8.89 (Minus 3.5 spell load time = 5.39 crystallization load time)
• TH r8 5c: 9.26 9.22 9.21 (Minus 4 spell load time = 5.21 crystallization load time, though seem a bit too low and timing may be off)
• TH rC 5c: 10.43 10.3 10.26 (Minus 5 spell load time = 5.26 crystallization load time)
• TH rD 5c: 10.39 10.36 10.26 (Minus 5 spell load time = 5.26 crystallization load time)
• TH rF 5c: 10.42 10.37 10.27 (Minus 5 spell load time = 5.27 crystallization load time)
• Diff r4/6-r8 = 0.32833
• Diff r8-rC/D = 1.10333
• Total = 1.43166

Okay, I updated the Load Times listed for Mana Crystallization, Ice Spear, and Fireball. Dispute my test results if you can. :3

Packfiles say 4 seconds for fireball.

Disputed.

That's for the Magic skill, though, not the crystal skill. o3o. w

Yes. but he changed it to 4.5 for the magic skill.

Friend just got to rank 5 Mana Crystallization, and the load times are the same as before, with Thunder taking 11 seconds and Ice spear taking 8.5 seconds. Was it changed or what? Does the crystal itself need to be over 5 along with the skill or something?

Kinda annoyed that all this time was spent getting to rank five with absolutely no cool down reduction. Anyone have info on this?

I believe it is the rank of the crystal, not the skill. Produce any r5+ ones yet to test this?

Edit: I just noticed the asterisks under the table...it probably is the rank of the crystal and not the skill.

Hmm...We're attempting it now. We make r6 IS crystals while I'm in transform, so I'm getting ice mastery up a few ranks and grabbing some more int. If you don't even need the skill to r5, that's....very confusing kinda. I'll post once we test it for certainty (both with and without r5 of the skill) to post if the crystal and/or the skill have to be r5. It's a little misleading with a quick glance at the chart.

How do the asterisks point to needing an r5 of the crystal though? I thought it was only to mention it's the load time of the crystal and not the production time of creating the crystal.

Thank you for the quick info.

“	Load Time refers to using crystals, not creation.	„

figured loading time was based on whatever rank crystal was produced.

Tested with an r2 crystal and r5 Mana Crystallization, with no cast time reduction. Ice spear is still 8.5 seconds.

The wiki's had the cast times like this since the skill came out. I'm a bit depressed seeing it's been...wrong if this is true.

Any other ideas? Alchemists who have achieved r1 on the skill maybe?

II have no idea what it could be then :c I'm not much of an alchemist and I really don't know a lot of people who actually have rank 1, let alone rank 5+.

I have r1 in the skill, and was disappointed with the load times as well. Roughly 2 seconds longer than the times listed, but I'll have to do more accurate testing.

THat might be cause of the Dynamic Combat. Loadtimes got increased/decreased.

I agree with this, as my testing shows that the load time of a magic crystal is dependant on both mana crystalization rank and rank of the crystal. The changes in load times seem to be at the same points as the int magic the crystal is based on. (Eg, fireball load time doesn't change based on crystal rank, but ice spear changes between rank D and C.) I'll collect more data then post results.

This has been happening since at least February of this year (googleing around showed someone else had this glitch/change as well). At rank 5, the load times DO decrease (on ice spear at least), but only partially ( # seconds). I think Thunder and Fireball have a decreased load time as well, but not fully. At R1, the load time doesn't seem to go down any farther sadly...making this potentially useful at r5+ skill quite a bit harder to use.

I'm wondering if this was changed at some point and not mentioned in an update, or if it's just a glitch that's been oversited since almost no one talks about it.

hmm, sounds like a bug then

As per my results posted in a new thread, yeah, rank 5 only shortens load time by 1 second, and r1 by 1 additional second. Of course, you also do a lot more damage too.

If, IF, they didn't remove FB/IS from Partners, would they have been able to assist with MC creation?

Doesn't work.

O-o

Well that sucked...

You'd might as well just get IS/FB and make rank F crystals yourself. I don't see why you'd make your partner do it, even if they could.

I have rank Novice Mana crystalization and a Rank A Thunder crystal with one charge. I attacked a Brown Dire Wolf with it. One charge of Rank A thunder deals 60~250*1.5 = 90~375 damage. Factor in the penalty for novice crystalization and that's 45~187.5. I was attacking a Brown Dire Wolf which has 1 defense and 0 protection. In spite of the fact that I should deal at least 44 damage, I dealt only 30 damage. The current formula is wrong.

I'm pretty sure that Mana Crystallization's thunder does not receive the 1.5x damage boost, nor does it receive the 2x damage boost fo the 5th charge.

Now if we deal with only the base damage of 60~250*0.5, you'd get 30~125 which is in range. You should test it with a tower cylinder and see if you get within the original damage range.

Will the magic crystals use the base damage of the new magic damage values for g13? Or do they keep the old ones? If so our magic crystals just became a little less effective....

The JP wiki has their damage modifier data marked as untested. I marked ours the same.