Talk:Generation 16: Macbeth

After going through Shakespeare mainstreams and finally ending at g16 what is you opinion about this chapter?

I personally fell shakespeare as a great filler with some exceptions, i saw g13 and g14 as mere fillers with a forced teather roll scheme (captain obvious), but also attemping to follow the ending of g12, and about g15 and g16 they're better in storyline and somewhat good on gameplay, g16 also has some gaps of information that could have been filled to make the story at least complete (examples: The 4th guardian of Avon didnt apeared, Triona was a character with many posibilitys for an interesting storyline for being the vessel of Macha the goddess of destruction and g16 shows her dead by unknown reasons in tir chonail of another world, in one of the 2 alternate endings Nuadha and cichol talks by the litoghraph in Falias as Morrighan arrives but is incongruous as Nuadha supose to be sealed in the Throne of falias and he and Cichol are enemies only explanation i find is that they're plotting vs Morrighan and Cichol released Nuadha to do so, What happen to the witch scatach, Did Neamhain died on g12 or shes just rrelevant ofr the shakespeare chapter?, etc).

Also g16 doesnt have special rewards like the other Generations on this chapter besides a high ammounts of exp and storyline and note that Journal Archievements and exp are by default a common or even forced feature at the end of this kind of quests so there wasn't something new to be an ending of a chapter.

Most of the people i ve asked did it just for doing it and not really for the storyline (skip every cutscene), so in my opinion the storyline behind the mainstreams is what makes the content more entertaining but is up to the player to do so, i just recomend looking at the story to enhance the gameplay in the world of Mabinogi.

This isn't the place to discuss that, there is a forums for that.

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As much as I hate speculation, I'd like to point out that, without plot holes, the storyline really isn't that interesting. Take the Zelda series for example, once they released the book Hyrule Historia, most questions were answered, a lot of mystery was cut off, it just wasn't as interesting. For example, G3's mystery was alluring until it was answered in G16, now it's not so interesting. G8 and G12 plot holes still exist, however, along with new ones from G16 enhancing peoples attention. Where did Ruairi go? Who is the fourth vate? Who is the fourth guardian of avon? What will we as the milletian do to turn Erinn back into Tir Na Nog? What would happen of Macha? What is Morrighan upto now?

Ill take note on that about the opinion for forums instead also thanks for you reply it is true and i was looking on diferent perspective plot holes are certainty something to look at and yea theres better storys than Mabi alot more but is ireelevant to some point to compare, "if mabi isnt good enough, just play anything else" and is u to the ppl to play or just quit and look for another game thanks for the info sry for many errors in a few mins ill read more on the wiki policy have a good day :3

Aside from the stupid plotholes (mainly Triona's death), I don't like it one bit. And then we have another twist with Lugh's character: Deranged Macbeth. His little "reason" for "aiding" Cichol was pretty lame, too, and they don't explain the WHY.

Pyro basically summed it up. The mysteries aren't so interesting.

What interesting events had occured in Macbeth? I demand to be spoiled! :D

Not the story itself, since I can always google search it.

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There was apparently a huge war in Tara's courtyard. There are alternate endings. In one ending, Nuadha and Cichol show up at Falias and meat Morrighan (that's all you see) and Shakespeare looks like he did in the RPs of G15. In the other ending, Nuadha and Cichol aren't in Falias and Shakespeare looks like his G13-14 self. Also, King Ethan Mac Cuill is murdered by Shaky after being tricked to do so. (He was apparently in the underground water way?)

^All from Mabidata, there is video proof for both endings. I didn't notice any more differences in the two endings.

That's just the ending.

I also heard Macbeth isn't an actual play (like G15) nor there are any characters related to it. Instead, Shakespeare's past life was like Macbeth.

Also, the part in Falias makes no sense: Nuadha was sealed, and N and Cichol are rivals if I'm not mistaken...

I don't know about the Falias part, those are the differences I spotted from the videos. Perhaps we do something to prevent Shaky's first rebirth and that eventually determines their mortality/stance? However, speculation is pointless. It would be better to just wait until it reaches NA and do it ourselves.

I'm not sure what happened, but I walked into the confessional with Dustin Silver Knight Armor, Bracer Knuckles, and 2 Bargain Red Beam Swords equipped. This is in contrast to the wiki saying you must have nothing in weapon slots and have clothing and robes equipped.

Odd, normally you shouldn't be able to.

Glitch, perhaps?

Just added the full G16 Walkthrough using a JP Mabi guide as the source.
The quest names were translated almost literally from their JP names so some of them may sound awkward in English, apologies for that.
I try to make the walkthrough as spoiler-free and objective as I can. I may have made some slip-ups though...
Also my wiki-fu is still lacking so I'd leave further refining of the guide to the more experienced editors out there.
Have fun and enjoy the guide! I know I was pretty surprised when I learnt of the monster spawns for the final mission :p

Thanks for the info it was very helpfull on my own g16 walkthrough :3 specially for tips like in the semifinal where npcs are annoying to keep them alive.

His G16 walkthrough actually wasn't completely the current one, because the other editors wrote over it.

i didnt specify but i refer to the editors also not only the contribution he remarks.

Just how? There aren't any NPCs from the original story in the Mabi variant.

Theres references, like Eirawen playing the roll of prince Malcom or Lugh as Macbeth, and maybe they didnt place originals to use characters that were relevant to the game rather than the original shakespeare script.

Please sign with your username, nobody will know who you are otherwise, and I haven't checked for sure but I think it might be against the wiki policy. But I still agree with Infodude, that's way to vague to be relevant.

Sry for that i think it is fixed now

I'm a bit confused on what was inputted on the end. I looked through various videos and all I saw that changed were Cichol's and Nuadha's appearances at Falias.

I'm pretty sure there is more than two endings since I've seen two different endings, both with the Tara chearing and no mourning, but with differences in Cichol/Nuadha's presence and in one Shakespeare look likes his G13/14 self and in another he looks like his Mysterious Man self.

Needs more testing, perhaps? Both the mourning and Tara cheering and the G13/14 Shakespeares are present in all the endings I've seen.

I'm not sure if I'm choosing positives or neagtives, I remember what I chose and I got the cheering scene most people seems to get that scene a lot from what I say on youtube. Not sure about the morning one.

Mourning*

I think it was three women agonizing over a dead human soldier?

Well in the page is said for the player and Bella, which I don't really understand. The dead soldier one appears at the "negative" choices, which I don't think I recall choosing negative answers.

I have no idea who put "player and Bella", but I don't see people agonizing them.

In every ending I've seen had the three women mourning the dead soldier, Eirawen looking a portrait of her late father, Owen being chased by Trolls, Shakespeare (G13/14 appearance), the citizens of Tara and Eirawen cheering for the Milletian, the Milletian assisting Owen, and Shakespeare at his desk.

The only thing that I have seen different was the Falias scene.

Here is a side by side comparison of two of the endings.

So we can conclude that there are four different ending scenes:

• Shakespeare (G13/14)
• Shakespeare (G15/16)
• Falias (w/ Cichol/Nuadha)
• Falias (w/o Cichol/Nuadha)

Ummm someone knows if Eirawen talk after g16 is glitched or it will be always like that? because she talks like Annick is mentioned on her info but doesnt specify if she will always talk like that, th only dialogue she has by herself is when u ask her to get cured.

The archer assassins in this mission have mirage missle; should this be mentioned on the page?

There was suppose a data template and page for the Assassins...I haven't gotten around to it since I'm not too experienced with the inputting the data. It should be noted that if anything seems odd, such as the Melee Assassins being able to smash then Assault Slash the downed player, then is should be noted.

Never be afraid to add any information and that every bit of data can be useful to certain extents. Just remember the guidelines and present the new data in a professional manner, such as using proper grammar and not short-handing any phrases.

just a heads up, but I added the info and confirmed this myself...I was doing the same mission at the time...lol...it seemed to be rank 1, but can't say for sure.

Was it implemented, too? Because I got a second quest that is also labeled under "G16".

Yep, that's Rush of Love.

The fighter skills seem to come form a set of G16 mainstream quests not listed here, starting with Horrible Herbert, then Keane's Type. I don't know how to properly edit the page for this information or I'd do it myself.

http://mabination.com/threads/55364-Mabinogi-The-Rush-of-Love-%28Master-needs-love-too

yes those, those are not listed here and probably should be

Nope. Side quests do not go here.

Then why is the Story of Golvan in G14 page?

They're listed in game as G16 mainstream quests. if not here they at least need to be added to the Obtaining the skill parts of the fighter skills. either way they need to be added

Yes, they belong there, not here. And it was already established Golvan doesn't belong there either.

They should be added somewhere as a quest string at least, just like quests are here. I feel they do belong here as they are g16 mainstream quests, side or not. maybe at the end of the page labeled as side quests. It would be easier for the users

It's on Sidequests.

OK. A link to these quests should be included in the G16 page as well.

I'll add them to all gens, so there won't be confusion.

Always assume there will be some users who don't know what they're doing. Having a link in G16 noting that the G16 fighter subquests are located "here" would make sense

Sounds good :)

I recall Macbeth having three witches of some sorts. I never read the book to be honest but...

Three Witches = Morrighan, Neamhain, and Macha?

I actually thought of that a long time ago once I heard that G16 is going to be about Macbeth.

According to http://mabidata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1032 G16 will have updates for Dungeons, Homesteads, a new High-Speed Melee Destiny (Martial Arts?), and more Legendary Weapons released. Here's some info regarding the skills for the new Destiny (exclusive or not?) http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9311/21234545lo51jpp2.png A bunch of those skills are related to acrobatics/martial-arts, so I'm only guessing that these skills require bare-handed to use, rather than weapons (which is a unique twist for when your weapons break).

Bare hands make a comeback :O!?!! and the dungeons feel lonely nowadays...*Ciar is lonely D:*

Ciar has those darned Bug Bears that I need to tame to complete my Life Exploration jounral! >:C The passes, y u so hard to get?!

cause they can be o .o;; the passes knows you are hunting them, so they hide o -o

This should be in patches talk page, this is the page for the procedure of the Generation Quest. And I don't think this is very noteworthy yet. I mean, G16S1 isn't even in KR Test Server yet. (We don't add anything about future patches until they reach KR from KR Test.)

Please DO NOT make pages for rumors, if you read the entire thread she herself claims the source for the skill names to not be trustworthy.

Sowwy, trying to help. Delete them then? Then when they become real you can re-make them xD

In fact, this shouldn't even be the place to base anything off of Mabidata. I thought we went over this a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure somewhere says that you're not supposed to put any future content based off foreign servers. Or it could have been just me.

After all that "basing off foreign server" crap, we now have all this leftover stuff that might not even ever be implemented in NA (i.e. Nekojima (other than the map existing, this should not be in our wiki because afaak, it will not be implemented in NA), MANY items from PAAAAST generations we have yet to discover ingame, etc.)

Really? I don't remember that... But if we don't base off of foreign servers, we won't have any data for anything future content until like three days before it reaches NA. And I don't really see what's wrong with having data for items that aren't out in NA. (Since there is a possibility that they will eventually reach NA.) Nekojima I can understand removing since they have confirmed several times NA will never get it.

K. Let's just keep all the userpages of people who never contribute. Not like it'll hurt us. /endsarcasmherebeforeit'stoolate

Well of course we're going to need to base it off something, but not everything. The story line, generation, anything that will obviously be implemented (systems, classes, skills that probably aren't region based). But now that we have people going to sites like mabidata and taking their word as if everything they say will be implemented has created redundancy in our wiki.

Oh, well that makes more sense. Although, Mabidata hasn't done anything wrong. It's just that people take their posts too literally... (Especially so in this case because they stated multiple times that those skills names came from the CH forums and doesn't include a valid source. For all we know some random forumer could've just posted that, trying to fool people.)

For all I know those skill names could be: "Trolled" "You" "Ha" "Ha" o.e; Sorry for the trouble guys. I'll stick to doing what I do... useless math problems for Meditation charts o~o My friend alerted me to the G16 info leak, and I made sure to mark the pages as "Rumors". Take them down if you need to, sorry.

Please don't make pages on rumors. Only add future content that's known for sure, like from KR mabi site and JP wiki.

JP and KR are like separate client nowaday :/ making future content hard for us.

when c4 Director went to Japan and revealed those stuff, he said it is probable that these won't be released in KR.

High-Speed melee + Japan-culture = ninja?

KR teaser showed a giant with a knuckle. Along with some KR data that is untranslated for a fist destiny.

Guess it's time to re-add those pages huh? Now that the KR source code confirmed it. I'll let you guys handle it though, not gonna get in your way~

But the names.

Go for it~!