Question and Answer/Archive7

This is page 7 of an archive of questions asked on the wiki's Q&A page. It contains questions 151-200.

Q151 Watching Talk Pages

Is there any way to watch a talk page and not the actual page? (And the other way around?) -- Pyrus 00:20, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

When you watch a page, the talk page will be automatically added to your watch page too. --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 01:17, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

No, I mean just watching the talk page and not the actual page, and the other way around. Pyrus 20:18, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

... When you watch a page, the talk page will be included within the watchlist. When you watch a talk page, the page will be included within the watchlist. --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 23:28, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I think what's being asked is whether it's possible to watch just one of the two without having BOTH of them there. That's what I get from it anyway, but as for the question itself...I dunno. >_>; Qaccy 23:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

That is, I've tried explaining it twice now. T_T Pyrus 23:45, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure my first answer was sufficient enough to answer your question of whether it is or is not possible... --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 23:50, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Q152 Adding Music

Question should be self-explanatory. How do I add music to a webpage? --Code2008 11:18, 14 May 2011 (CST)

To a wiki page? --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 20:05, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Er, yeah, Wiki Page, my bad, haha! And I guess I should be more clear/more detailed. I want to be able to add music that plays when you enter the page (but is still able to be stopped). I tried Java Codes, HTML Codes, C++ (yes, I was getting desperate), and a few others and nothing. --Code2008 23:41, 14 May 2011 (CST)

o.o This is a wiki. JS is only allowed via Mediawiki:Common.js, since user JS is disabled. C++... is a programming code.. Html won't be able to play it. PHP is disabled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ikkisuki (talk • contribs) . Please always sign your comments with the button or by typing ~~~~!

Darn. Alright, thanks anyways. --Code2008

If you are somehow able to convince IJ, he can add an extension that supports the playing of music. --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 17:15, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, my thought was just to have the BGM of things playing. Say, for example, you are checking out Longa Desert Dungeon (for whatever reason), the BGM for it plays in the background. Just something cool, you know?--Code 2008 21:16, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Eh.. seems kinda overdoing it. & It would create a lot of unnecessary load for the server. --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 23:07, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Like I said... it was just a thought...--Code 2008 01:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Q153 Dying Palette Lists

I've been thinking and wouldn't it be helpful to access a list of which items use which color palette for dying? As in like a list for items that use Pixie Palette or Leather. ---User: Erivle 12:44 PM 30 June 2011 (EDT)

That could be easily implemented since most (all?) pages use the dye template, but implementing a category like that would make it difficult to distinguish which parts use this certain dye unless we make it a category like "Category:Pixie Palette (Part 1)". But that would create a lot of category pages, which I don't think many people would actually use. --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 19:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Q154 MabiBook template

Should we include this in book pages? If so, I will manage the implementation of this template to all the current and missing books. And of course, for those who may be unable to view this template correctly, I will leave a raw text version in a hiddentext template. --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 06:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Also, if you have any, make some suggestions on how I can change or improve this template. --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 09:10, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I like it. Go for it. (If my opinion matters.) -- Pyro - (Talk) -- 06:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Of course it matters, but I want to get more votes before I make such a change. --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 09:10, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, that + a server-sided cached script for getting the book from the actual servers = win. I'd do it, but I'm a tad busy :P, and the Shadow Monster template is next on my TODO list for this wiki ~小太郎 ^TALK_CONTRIBS 2011:07:11:10:51 (Monday)

That's really cool, Ikki. I say go for it, too. --Angevon (Talk) 15:11, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Another idea we can try is correcting the C1 team's grammar and mistakes. Like in The Goddess Who Turned into Stone, for example, it refers to them as Fir Bolg at one point when it's actually Tir Bolg and said as Tir Bolg a few times throughout the book. -- Pyro - (Talk) - 05:26, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

That'll create a buttload of "unnecessary" edits. The quotes are there for a reason. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 06:48, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Q155 Dye Templates, use on "the" and "and"

Isn't it completely inappropriate to use "the" in dye templates? I don't see any point in saying "The Shirt" or "The Tie", when it's completely irrelevant in that situation. --Oddisy 03:10, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Also, I believe this applies to "and" and almost any other article used in our language. I see their point in day to day speech, but in lists they're pointless. --Oddisy 03:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

It is easier for me to comprehend what it means when it is written "The tie and belt" rather than "Tie, Belt" without the article and conjunction. But it could just be me. But you should stop converting everything until you get more input, you know... --- Angevon (Talk) 03:40, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I was already half-way done, seeing as I had just finished all the male clothing a week or two ago, so I figured I'd just finish what I had started. I don't know, in my mind, I find it a lot easier to read something as "Belt, Tie", etc, other then "The Belt", so on. I really just do not see a point in there being "The" over and over again.--Oddisy 10:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I guess I'll live with it, then. It's not that important - I don't dye stuff haha. --Angevon (Talk) 13:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Q156 Preview and Changes

This is minor but, is there any way to view changes and preview a page at the same time when editing? Without viewing one then the other, that is. - Pyro - (Talk) - 3:04 PM, 20 July 2011 (PDT)

As far as mediawiki goes without a extension, no. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 22:09, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Q157 New Town/NPC Shop person...?

This is kinda like irrelevant but could we assign/ask someone to do NPC shops/Pages for new NPCs? I mean I'm fine with doing it but could we have someone email/message someone that we need someone to add shops and things into the caracter forms and also take off stub/future content messages? -Erivle

Q158 Organizing Template:Data's & Merging pages with Data

I'd like to propose that we start organizing the Template:Data pages, although some of this is already being done. This is pretty much an extension to the current project DeadEiry.

• Quests → Template:DataQuest
  • Include Exploration or make Template:DataExploration?
• Items (Not Equipment or Enchants) → Template:DataItem
  • Does not Food or Potions.
  • Includes items that cannot be "Used".
• Food → Template:DataFood
• Potions → Template:DataPotion
• Equipment → Template:DataEquip
  • Anything equipable, including ammunition and bait.
• Monsters → Template:DataMonster
• Enchants → Template:DataEnchant

Did I miss any categories? If so, please leave a comment below

Now onto the merging portion of this Q&A.

Also, all information (description, par stats, drop locations, everything else) be moved into these data templates. Why? Well...

Pros of doing this:

1. Edit the same information in multiple pages (Edit the data template = edit all the pages that include this template)
2. Display the same information without having to retype it all (display in two lists with short code, links to #1)
3. Organization (Easily identify what type of page the template belongs to)
4. More that I can't even think of yet.

Cons of doing this:

1. Having to create workarounds if there are any templates that are somehow incompatible with the data (this is a very, very low chance if done correctly)
2. Can't think of any. Will list more if this project progresses.

This will be a very large job and I probably won't be able to do this alone (unless given a plentiful amount of time. I tend to slack.)
Please leave any questions or comments below and please vote. The more votes, the sooner we can get this going. Thank you. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 01:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

What about further specifying equipment, like Template:DataWeapon, TemplateData:Headgear, etc. Just an idea. --Angevon (Talk) 01:42, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I think that could create some more confusion, such as categorizing bait. Some would consider it a shield (because it's held in the right hand), and some wouldn't even know what the heck. We could apply what's already being done, using categories, rather than adding more "Data:TemplateTypes", but if you think it's necessary, I'll add it onto the list. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 01:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

You're right, it would get messy. Using specific categorizing was going to be my alternative suggestion, but you beat me to it :) --Angevon (Talk) 01:51, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. :( I'll give you a head start next time. D; --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 01:53, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

We are not merging dungeon monster and shadow monster, right? (we still need to edit Aonbharr page...) and how about ineffective shield? 11:18, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

What's wrong wit the Aonbharr page? Other than not having all 8 versions of it. :C And inneffective shields will go wtih DataEquip. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 19:25, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

It really depends if people are willing to put in their time to fill in the templates because it tends to get annoying after the first 3 you do. Also could get rather messy, so I'm sorta on the fence fo this one :l. - Youkos 12:47, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I think with all the data on this site, we would be better off with an actual database with a website interface. This would make it easier for searching for things, sorting and filtering. Changing the formatting and layout of the whole website would also be easier as all the data is stored separately. It will be (much) harder for edits to completely mess up the page in terms of formatting, and the learning curve for editing would be less since they would be editing directly in to the data fields, instead of tinkering with the whole page layout like we currently do. Think Hidden Street, but with more features. Transferring the data over to the database shouldn't be too hard with all the templates already in use on the wiki - I'm thinking of using an automated script. Of course the hard part is designing and creating the website interface, and I don't think anyone is up for it. ~小太郎 ^TALK_CONTRIBS 2011:08:10:08:00 (Wednesday)

Yeah, that's not going to happen. As for the data templates -- particularly the equipment ones since most everything else already uses templates -- I'd like to see how they are going to be used before volunteering to fill them out. That's a hellish amount of work. --Angevon (Talk) 14:43, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll put up some examples later in the day. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 19:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Q159 Deletion of placeholder images that violate policy

I think we should delete the placeholder images (simulator images, images with glow, others that violate policy). These images discourage other wiki users to upload proper images that follow the policy completely because they think once a picture is up, it is okay. With the deletion of these policy-violating images, people will realize that the wiki is in need of new images and maybe encourage them to contribute, especially those who have little to none. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 02:00, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree... Saw too many incidence where people replace violating image with another violating image... and cause huge edit war... 11:22, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

We'll have to be pretty aggressive about it, and we'll receive some flak, but yeah, I agree. --Angevon (Talk) 14:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Ditto. If we do do this, I'll be sure to help with flagging. Pyro - (Talk) - 09:01, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

So are we going to do this? -- Pyro - (Talk) - 03:15, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

So we aren't doing this? -- Pyro - (Talk) - 21:59, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Q160 New Quest Template

Should we replace the old quest template with this? Here is an example of it filled out. It works almost identical to the old quest template and shouldn't require too much changes, but I will convert it where needed. (Note that I left out the exploration quest parts since exploration quests have their own, different template.) We can also use this template within the generation templates on generation pages for more clarification (but that will take more time to do since we don't have any data for that). I can edit it so the Additional Info/Method to Obtain doesn't appear for generation pages. Also, if anyone has any suggestions or changes they'd like to be made, please let me know. -- Pyro - (Talk) - 09:01, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Anyone? -- Pyro - (Talk) - 04:27, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Well it looks cool. My only problem is the multiple scroll bars. --- Angevon (Talk) 17:52, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

What would you suggest? -- Pyro - (Talk) - 18:24, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

There seems to be a "Retrieved From" error at the bottom of the page when you use this page twice. Does anyone know what causes this or how to fix it? -- Pyro - (Talk) - 23:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

You have 31 div tag openings and 30 div tag closings. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 01:14, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Fixed --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 01:16, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Can't believe I made a mistake like that... -- Pyro - (Talk) - 01:32, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Maybe if you remove the font tags... (Non-valid XHTML) ~小太郎 ^TALK_CONTRIBS 2011:09:27:10:32 (Tuesday)

What do you mean? -- Pyro - (Talk) - 20:34, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

<div style="position: absolute; left: 25px; top: 10px;"><font size="2;">'''{{{Name}}}'''</font></div>

See the <font size="2;">? Ever checked the XHTML specs? ~小太郎 ^TALK_CONTRIBS 2011:09:27:23:10 (Tuesday)

Not entirely sure what you mean. Are you suggesting I replace them with <small> tags? -- Pyro - (Talk) - 23:36, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what you replace them with - just don't include any non-valid XHTML 1.0 Strict ~小太郎 ^TALK_CONTRIBS 2011:09:28:08:33 (Wednesday)

So, should I implement it? -- Pyro - (Talk) - 03:15, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

If nobody responds I'll assume it's a yes. -- Pyro - (Talk) - 01:41, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Assume yes? Don't you mean assume no? :C Anyways, you can do a better job than that ;; --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 01:47, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Such as? -- Pyro - (Talk) - 01:54, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Look at it. :c --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 02:01, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Can you just tell me what you have in mind? -- Pyro - (Talk) - 02:06, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Making it look more like the ingame version. Including the longer version of the template. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 02:09, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm still working on this, by the way. -- Pyro - (Talk) - 23:52, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't like the way quests are displayed in-game, so I don't like this idea. --Angevon (Talk) 01:13, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Q161 Pet Skill Comparisons?

Has anything like this been done yet? I've been thinking of starting a page like this. It'd have a ton of charts, but it'd be dead handy for people considering pet rebirths. Would I have to get permission for such a page, or is this something I could just dive right in to, after reading up on proper wiki formatting? --Koakuma 20:01, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, you could always make the page, but I'd suggest you make it on one of your subpages (User:Koakuma/Pet Skill Comparisons), and show it here for review. But this does sound like a great idea. -- Pyro - (Talk) - 02:57, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I put a little bit of what I think it should look like; I more or less adapted the existing "Levels Needed for Skills" and re-purposed it into a skill-up line for each pet that has that skill available. I'm probably not going to ask for official review until I get the entire thing laid out, though. Still, what do you think of putting each skill into collapsible tables? Not sure if that question should go here or in its talk page. Also, how high do common pet skills go? So far, the highest Rank I've seen is 5. --Koakuma 05:00, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

The table looks good and I definitely think it should be collapsible. Pet skills usually go to rank 6, but on rare occasions, they can have higher ranks. For example, Thunder Breath can reach as high as rank 1. Also, this is just a suggestion but it'd be helpful to include the skill icon, it would help readers find their skill more easily. -- Pyro - (Talk) - 05:30, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Q162 "Hotfix" section?

In coontributing the v95 keyword fix, I've noticed an issue. If we just post the problems/solutions in the News section, it gets "pushed down" fairly fast, such that players may not see the fix after a few days (like is happenng now).

This is very remenicent of the rendere/pleonie DLL issues a while ago. Nexon messed up a DLL, and crippled the game. A Wiki user uploaded the "fixed" files, but Nexon didn't fix the problem till the next update. Once again, this fix was lost in the News section, and players who didn't see it were screwed.

So what if we add a little "hotfix" section to the Main Page that contains Outstanding Bugs like these, as well as a soluion (or "No solution available at this time"). This page would differ from the Current Bugs page, insofar as it would only contain temporary, game crippling issues and their solutions.

Thoughts?

Xcelled194 04:12, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Q163 Polls?

I've noticed that oftentimes, it'd be nice to have a poll on a talk page for deciding between options. This is better than just posting threads inasmuch as users have anonymity and results are easier to see. Xcelled194 01:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

This has been suggested in the past, but I have no idea what happened to it. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 01:22, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

There's probably a widget out there already for it... o.o Xcelled194 01:23, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Yup. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Poll2

Well, of course one exists, but not on this wiki. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 01:31, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Someone should ask IJ to add it :c Xcelled194 01:34, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Q164 New Wiki Image?

The wiki image has always bugged me because it says "Now Open!", when the wiki has been open for four years... maybe it's time for an updated image? Something that represents Mabinogi right now? (How about a big "broken" symbol!)Xcelled194 01:34, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I suggest we just remove the "Now Open!", changing the image would be heresy! D= -- Pyro - (Talk) - 03:15, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

This has been brought up before but people love that image. Maybe someone can change it so it says "Mabinogi wiki for the North America server" or something like that instead of "Now Open!" -- Angevon (Talk) 03:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Could we color it too? It looks rather bland atm. Nothing major, just a little shading or something. What's the file address for the image, anyone know? Xcelled194 03:27, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/skins/common/images/wiki.png

That seems kinda long for such a tiny picture. How about "NA Mabinogi" or something short, simple, and direct? --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 03:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree. But I'm not so sure how good it will look colored. Can you give an example? -- Pyro - (Talk) - 03:40, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

For consideration: . -- Jspillers | (Talk) 05:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Here:s a quick example I whipped up. It's not the best, the colors are all the same, blending with the lines is non-existent, and there are spots of transparency all over. If you like how it looks, I'll re do it the "proper" way, with gradients, blurring, and such. EDIT: The cropped version is not displaying correctly (go figure), so click on the image.... Xcelled194 17:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I like what you did with the text but not so much the coloration... -- Pyro - (Talk) - 18:19, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

How's this?

How about we leave the words' colors transparent but leave everything else (including the shadow)? (Kind of like how mabi does on their quests. I'm entirely sure if we can have a transparent font...) -- Pyro - (Talk) - 22:15, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

A transparent font would just leave a black shadow, it wouldn't give the effect you're going for, I think. Xcelled194 23:46, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah, good point. Then how about (a) font color(s) that would look similar to the background for Vector skin preference? -- Pyro - (Talk) - 00:08, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Imo, the shadows on the text are kinda thick. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 02:30, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Someone convert the picture to SVG to make it easier for everyone to edit :p ~小太郎 ^TALK_CONTRIBS 2011:10:15:03:54 (Saturday)

Why don't we come to a consensus on what to put in the picture, and how to style it? Xcelled194 16:36, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I kind of like Jspillers version the most. --Angevon (Talk) 16:13, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Q165: Q&A threading

Would anyone prefer that the talk page threading system be used for this Q&A page? It would bring more attention to the page & be easier to see when a new response is added because it's highlighted on new messages and on viewing RecentChanges. Just an idea! --Angevon (Talk)

I second this. -- Pyro - (Talk) - 19:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Q166: List pages

Do you prefer that items be separated into sections based on what races can equip it (like on Heavy Armor List) or when there is a sortable column for race (like on Light Armor List)? I want to get some consistency on these pages. --Angevon (Talk) 16:13, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I think the Heavy Armor List's is better mainly because you can click down to the sections, although we can reproduce that in some other form different from both of the pages. -- Pyro - (Talk) - 19:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I think you should make 1 column for each race so that you can actually sort them appropriately by race & you can have 1 table for all races. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 01:11, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

It would also make using data as a format easier (if we do use that. yet to get to work.) --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 01:11, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Q167: "Dropped" images

Do we really need pictures of items dropped on the ground? e.g. Rainbow_Trout and Nao Soul Stone. I propose that we don't use dropped pictures. --- Angevon (Talk) 18:21, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't really know. I mean these items are just mainly inventory items with no in-game view other than it being dropped. I guess it's based on personal preference. I personally like them. LexisMikaya 18:47, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

That's what I was wondering not too long ago. They seem kind of useless to me, but they do make the page look a tiny bit less plain. But nonetheless, useless and keeps things out of order. --͟͞ҡ͟͞ε͟͞ѵ͟͞ו͟͞͞η _{[͟͞т͟͞α͟͞ι͟͞κ]} 04:27, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Q168: Allow SVG images?

Can we allow editors to upload svg images? Currently it only allows me to upload png, gif, jpg and jpeg. I've been building an svg image which is essentially a flow chart showing the dependencies that restrict the order of attempting the mainstream quests. I CAN convert it to png to upload, and from the web site user's perspective it makes little difference whether its svg or png. (The svg would scale more nicely, but not a big issue.) But if someone has to update my file for future mainstream quests, it will be a lot easier for them to work from the svg file. --Librarian 06:03, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Q169: Artisan upgrades

Can somebody, or some people, please fill out the artisan upgrades which are not currently in the wiki? I do not know how the stats were determined for the artisan upgrades which are currently listed so I do not know if I could assist with this, but I noticed that some weapons had an artisan while the upgrade was not mentioned on their wiki page. As an example the hatchet's artisan upgrade is not mentioned anywhere, but I did the artisan upgrade for a hatchet myself. Idnim 07:04, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Q170: Knuckle Spirit Weapons

I'm wondering if we just haven't updated or if knuckles just cannot be made into spirit weapons. I can update it but I just want to find out if they can or not. Erivle 12:31 7 June 2012 (UTC)

G17 isn't out in any server, the only update after G16 is G16S2 which pertains to music, not knuckles. -- Pyro - (Talk) - 18:34, 7 June 2012 (UTC)