Regarding front page

I want you guys to look at every other game wiki in existence.

This is the kind of minimization saiyr and I are talking about. Major categories are kept. A few categories (like Guides) will probably be added. But the minor direct links will be removed.

Some of you talk about there being an overload of information in mabi. Things like the main page present that fact. It is more likely to scare newbies than to help them. If I were a newbie staring at that information, I would have no idea where to start.

Infodude, if you want to save time so badly, realize that you're not a newbie player and probably have the majority of page names memorized so that you can go there directly. Newbies don't need to "save a few seconds" and certainly wouldn't be saving a few seconds because they would be spending minutes scrolling through that crap in the first place.

When I asked for opinions I didn't mean "beg me to keep it the way it is" or "argue the viability of statistically irrelevant links" I meant make suggestions on how to consolidate and what sort of major pages you would like to see in that section.

I can't help but agree with this. When I first started to use the wiki I was quite lost with it.

Major pages I feel should be on the front page 100%: Generation disambiguation (or full list, whatever floats your boat) Talent list, skills list/disambiguation page

Although I do think the newmenu is a bit excessive, I feel like those wikis are under-doing it. Can we shift this conversation to being about what we think deserves to be on the front page?
I'm going to section by section on what my personal thoughts are:

• General Information
  • I want to hear others opinions on this first.
• World of Erinn
  • I think we should keep the town and dungeon names, but remove the subbullets. (Such as Rath Royal Castle, Connous Underground Maze, Filia, Shyllien Nature Reserve, etc.)
  • I think we should ADD Shadow Missions and Theatre Missions to the list under dungeons.
• Equipment
  • First Column
    • Remove Magical Accessory bullet.
    • Remove Designer Sets bullet.
  • Second Column
    • Remove every bullet under upgrades besides artisan and special upgrades, and add gem upgrades inbetween the two.
  • Third Column
    • Remove subbullets for Dream Catchers, Umbrellas, Arrows, Ballistas, Bolts, Javelins, Bullets, Puppets, and Rapiers.
    • Remove the primary bullet Ranged, and make all its subbullets regular bullets.
    • Remove bullets for Pillows and Ragdolls, they're just Blunts. . .
    • Move Marionettes and Missiles to the first column, like Shields is.
    • Add Instruments and Tools to this column.
  • Fourth Column
    • Remove Instruments and Tools from this column.
• Enchants
  • Merge with the second column of equipment, since it'll be so short now.
• Species
  • First of all, move it to one of this sections, not the last. Choosing a player race is one of the most important thing for newcomers.
  • The Monster subcategories seems unneeded to me.
  • Bosses is fine.
  • We might also be able to merge this with a different section.
• Mainstream Quests*
  • Remove the Chapter Bullets and make all of its subbullets regular bullets.
• Skills
  • Needs two columns, which should be easy since we eliminated the enchant column and can merge species with General Information.
• Production
  • Leave as is.
• Pets and Partners
  • Rename Pets, Minipets, and Partners.
  • Remove bullets such as "Animal Humanoid", "Anthropods", etc.
  • Leave collection, flying mounts, mounts, and list of pets.
  • Remove Parnters and Minipets since they're already in the name.

Please don't discuss it in terms of what's currently there. We will flat out be removing the majority of it, no argument.

You can discuss consolidation, for instance: "Add a category that lists all places in Erinn and link to that." Or specifically say what's on there that you want to keep. Keep in mind that nearly every "sub bullet" is going to be removed. If you want one of them kept, post what it is and a strong argument as to why.

The design will likely change significantly, so there's no need to discuss that. I frankly don't want anyone's opinion on that until after it happens, because it's impossible to incorporate public opinion into design. Also I seriously don't want arguments against this fact cause I know some of you will want to. If you're a seasoned web developer you're welcome to talk with us about design (preferably elsewhere), but I'm pretty sure no one in this thread so far is.