Spoilers outside of Spoiler Tags

What should be done with things that should not go inside spoiler tags (such as trivia), but can be or are spoilers? Should we do what forums and other websites do, such as making the text black until highlighted? (Personally, I was never fond of this solution but it is better than nothing, and it is better than using euphemisms.)

Yeah that seems the best way for small scale spoilers.

Even for within spoilers like SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE in the ending chapter of deathly hollow spoiler

Here is an example I made. Right now, all you need to do is {{User:Kapra/Spoiler|1}}, where 1 is the content you want hidden. The entire line of text will be blackened, as well as a spoiler warning will be shown upon mouseover. The issue is, in order to make links black, I would need to either

• A: We would need to manually enter links via html, rather than [[ ]] tags.
• or B: Make EVERY link on the page black.

And even if I make links the same color as the background, when highlighted, how will you know it is a link?

I'm not fond of this solution. When is this going to be necessary? Can't we just mark sections as possibly containing spoilers? Unless a section of a page contains spoilers unintuitively (it shouldn't?) then I don't see real need to mark it up at all.

Do people even look at

This article contains spoilers. If you do not wish to read further, please return to the home page.

?

Knowing all the forums I visit and knowing that people get mad that spoilers are posted in a thread where people complain and or discuss about movie characters/endings/etc. Even with a spoiler tag. I won't be surprised if people don't even pay attention to it or ignore it.

I don't think we should cater to irrationality. Maybe we should make "This article contains spoilers" 72pt comic sans with rainbow colors and then they'd read it.

Comic Sans? Include Doge and we have a plan.

We might as well put a spoiler tag on all characters who take part of storylines!

And by spoiler tag, you mean replace all their pictures with doge memes so we don't spoil what they look like, right?

Right?

...Guys?

People's fault for not looking at the spoiler tag.

Large black boxes covering things at random places is both awkward and obnoxious. Mabi has been out for several years and much of it's "dramatic" spoil-y content is also pretty old. The expectation when you are looking for help on a storyline of anything thus established is that certain portions of the storyline will be revealed.

The wiki already does a very good job at concealing most of the surprises during the quest help sections so it's entirely unnecessary to to concern ourselves with the trivialities of trivia related spoilers

Agreed, which is why I said "Personally, I was never fond of this solution but it is better than nothing, and it is better than using euphemisms," I would prefer better suggestions other than this and changing the word Morgant into "other identity" and using other euphemisms. (Which I don't quite get, there is a spoiler tag at the top of the article, are we still not allowed to put spoilers in the open?)

Like Sakura said, people don't really pay attention to spoiler tags.

I have to agree with WhitePass, the black boxes might make everything harder to read. We could just leave the spoiler content as it is and blame people for not reading the spoiler tag.

As for changing Morgant to "other identity" on Lugh's page, Mikaya and I agreed to strip the focus of Morgant on Lugh's page because pages of character's other identities don't mention their true identities outside the spoiler box. If you want, you could say "Morgant (Lugh's other identity)".

I disagree that it's "better than nothing", actually. If people aren't reading the spoiler tag, maybe it needs redesign. I was being facetious above, but it should probably be more noticeable.

I do have to say that the spoiler tag isn't very noticeable if you go by pages quickly.

b-b-b-but I noticed...since day 1 D:...

Yes Mikaya, but are you those people that complain about spoilers even when there's a spoiler tag marked on the thread/page?

If you ask me, most people disregard it e-e then again it shows up enough times on a page when you expand the mainstream story boxes. I don't it's hard to ignore. It could be more noticeable though.

Saiyr has the right sort of idea. Shifting the blame to readers whilst possibly understandable is self defeating and terrible from a quality perspective. We don't write the wiki for our own satisfaction.

We don't; some of these other people, you can't say that about.

I agree, the header could use a redesign. Maybe it's just that I got used to filtering it out of view, but I don't even notice it anymore.

Whether we go black text box, or a new spoiler tag. I promise you, people will still read spoilers. ^{I would know, I ruined many things this way.}

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Though, my problem is the aesthetic value, if we even care that is.

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Dat black bar.

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Just, weird looking at black bar that goes across the page.

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Unless we can fix that. :V That would be good.

You're not admitting defeat, are you?

Why does the bar have to be black though? How about, I don't know, changing the text to white like the wiki page?

...And how would people know there's text there?

This information may be considered a spoiler. Highlight this text to reveal its contents.

I figured out why Kapra used black. Though we could probably change the text color.

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Has no one really thought of a better idea than this?

I used the same color for the text and background because other sites do that, though I like your idea of using a different, dark colored, background form the text better. But as I said, I would really rather people suggest other ideas than changing the color of text and/or backgrounds. . .

Nope.avi

See how much white text is an issue if it's at the beginning of a post/sentence/bullet? Plus it would look terrible =-=

Come to think of it, what page, other than Lugh, has spoilers outside of the boxes anyways?

All of the "original" Shakespearian characters lack spoiler boxes. I didn't think they needed any since they're loosely based off of the original story, which could be read anywhere.

Nao. Then again the mentioning of who her parents are, doesn't exactly spoil who she is. Does it?

Most of the time people yell wolf and remove tings that are barely spoilers, even in instances where the entire page is marked as a spoiler, not just a section.
Agreed, changing text color looks terrible.

Admit defeat? :V Explain.

Ask Kapra about the blackness, I didn't decide on that. Though most forums tend to go for black.

Does it have to stretch across like that? I would think a simply highlight would work :x

If you hover over Kapra's black box thing, it warns you that it's a spoiler.

Was this supposed to be a reply to another post?

Maybe I interpreted what Mikaya said as something different. But I thought that she was instead asking to somehow highlight the text so that we can't see it, rather than having a whole black box that stretches across the page.

The only difference between those two(other that the stretching across the page thing) is that Kapra's warns you that it's a spoiler once you hover over it, while a normal highlight(I think) wouldn't warn you.

I believe she meant something more like this, rather than have it span like this.

Edit: Oh. I see what you mean now.

I recommend looking into ways to make the banner more eye catching without being obnoxious, because I will fight very stubbornly towards styling spoilers inline, especially anything that requires a mouse (already hate tabs, but that's an argument for another day). I maintain that it should be quite obvious what sections of an article contains spoilers. If that's not possible in current article partitioning, then that needs to be revisited. This is not a forum where people post informally, it's a wiki, where the purpose is to display information, not hide it.

haha...for some reason my custom headers on this page come to mind...I've been meaning to add a rounder border and other things too it but never really did anything with it. It'll be like some of the wiki's that use random quotes and stuff, but still gets the point across.