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Non-KR/NA Updates

Fragment of a discussion from Talk:Patches

I'm just going to say this straight out and feel free to disagree, Tasket says bullshit. He has marked things that KR explicitly said wasn't a glitch or was purposeful as a glitch (and vice versa). I seriously doubt he knows what he's talking about. Either way, we must trust the superior jurisdiction (Nexon KR) over the word of the inferiors (Nexon NA).

Mystickskye, you are using the wrong level of scrutiny. In a wiki, all information belongs by default. You should be asking why not including something, not why include it. A better argument would be why include foreign/future content on this page and not give it their own page (though I think keeping them in one place would be simpler). By default, all information should be mentioned in full somewhere. The only exceptions would be gamebreaking things, abusable glitches (we are still trying to redefine how we determine if something is abusable or not, that's a conversation for another thread), and hacks. However, that isn't to say we have an exclusionary rule. Information obtained from illegitimate tools (you know which) are still allowed at the moment.

Kapra - (Talk)15:08, 9 May 2014
 
 
In a wiki, all information belongs by default.
 

 

No. What does and does not belong in a wiki is entirely subjective, which is why there are disputes about this in the first place. One easy counter to that assertion is mods and exploits. It is widely agreed upon that they do not belong on the wiki. What counts as an exploit is sometimes open to discussion though. My stance on this is that too much information is a bad thing. There is a possibility of useful information being drowned out by extraneous information. I remain neutral on this particular discussion of "Skipped Content" and foreign content in general, but I felt it was necessary to point out that the above quote is your opinion and not a fact.

Blargel (talk)16:02, 9 May 2014
 

Does tasket know what he's talking about? Who knows, but who are you to say? As for trusting the "superior" jurisdiction that is of a different culture, and therefore is comprised of a different set of standards (as opposed to someone who has contact with the "inferior", yet local jurisdiction), is stupid. I guess Manus being black is a glitch then? Oh wait, it's called localization. While you may think Nexon NA may be inferior, they do have some say as to what/how something does/doesn't get implemented, but whether they do it the way they intended to is a different story.

 
 
In a wiki, all information belongs by default"
 

 

I could write a 20 page paper on how wrong that statement is. If that were the case, the amount of useless trivia that would have otherwise overrun this wiki would have made pages cluttered to say the least. (mythology, tie-ins with vindictus, etc.)

Yinato (talk)16:26, 9 May 2014

that said, there is a GREAT deal of useless trivia in the wiki

Shroom Fonzerelli (talk)16:38, 9 May 2014
 

Yes, and notice who adds it all?

Yinato (talk)16:49, 9 May 2014
 

In a wiki, all information belongs by default. You should be asking why not including something, not why include it. A better argument would be why include foreign/future content on this page and not give it their own page (though I think keeping them in one place would be simpler). By default, all information should be mentioned in full somewhere. This is definitely not true. In fact taken as is it runs counter-intuitive to the purpose of the wiki which is at it's simplest to aid/serve the general populace. I'll say it (yet) again, the wiki suffers from your sort of attitude.

Mystickskye (talk)17:41, 9 May 2014
 

MRW someone thinks they know what they're talking about when they clearly don't.

Ikkisuki (talk)21:08, 9 May 2014
 

@Blargel This is an opinion, yes, but there is no such thing as too much information. We can not be too detailed (so long as we're not explaining how to open your inventory and equip a bow and arrow in the description of an archery skill). The more information, the better. The question is not if we have too much information, its how are we organizing it. Also, in the same post you're responding to, I clearly said there are things outlined we should not talk about, including the things you are using in a response to prove my statement wrong (at least that's how I am perceiving it). But back to the point, in order to not drown useful information with deemed less useful information, the solution would be to separate the two.

@Yinato Valid argument. I'm not saying we should or should not listen to Nexon NA, but based on even their patch notes, significant things that they write can be proven wrong with simple ingame testing. They seem to be uninformed in everything other than events, ignoring for the fact that what they tell Sabina to say is also wrong. I'm just saying, lets take it with a grain of sand, not as the law of the land.

@Mystickskye The feelings are mutual.

So assuming we do keep future content and skipped content (not saying we are but for the argument if we are), what are peoples opinions of mixing the two into a foreign content section, or its own version of the patches page (which would include unreleased patches such as Treasure Hunter), and make it explicitly clear all or some of these updates and parts of the updates might not ever be added to NA?

Kapra - (Talk)02:15, 10 May 2014

There is such a thing as too much information.

-stares at Lugh's Trivia-

Nise Panda (talk)02:24, 10 May 2014

I tried cleaning that out once. Guess who opposed?

Mystickskye (talk)03:33, 10 May 2014

Waaas it the ghost of Christmas past?

Ikkisuki (talk)08:31, 10 May 2014
 
 

Okay, I definitely didn't read the post I replied to carefully enough. Still you say there's no such thing as too much information yet you also say that we shouldn't be describing how to equip a bow and arrow, etc. You're clearly drawing the line somewhere on what is too much information, just like the rest of us, but this line appears to be in a very different place in comparison to the majority of other editors (as far as I can tell anyway... you're the only one I know of that is this vehemently opposed to removing certain things).

Blargel (talk)03:37, 10 May 2014

Yes, as I said, there is such a thing as too much information, I purposefully contradicted myself in the same post, but as I said, that is not the type of thing we are doing, this is a different case entirely.

Majority does not equal right either, not that majority is right or wrong. If the majority of the game wanted to remove information about housing so only those who knew could benefit and players who do not know cannot find out, that does not make it right either. A sort of exaggerated example but that is exactly how I see it. There is not legitimate reason to remove the information, at least none mentioned in this thread so far as far as I can see.

Kapra - (Talk)21:09, 10 May 2014
 
 
I purposefully contradicted myself in the same post
 

 

Translation, you screwed up and have no idea what your view is on the matter.

 
 
Majority does not equal right either, not that majority is right or wrong.
 

 

Way to state something without actually stating anything...

Everything you've said thus far is based on your own closed-minded views and opinions. Let me make this clear; you are but one "editor" who is trying to make the wiki into your own vision. Your reasoning is circular, your points lack common sense, and the fact that you've stated that you will be closed-minded on the matter means that no matter how valid a given reason may be, you will just turn around and say "nope, not a good reason".

Yinato (talk)22:15, 10 May 2014
 
 
Translation, you screwed up and have no idea what your view is on the matter.
 

 

I was going to quote the same thing, but I decided not to waste my time. lol.

Ikkisuki (talk)22:17, 10 May 2014