Trivia Dilemma

Then it's not even us that skimp out on the policy. It just happens because the editors don't pay 100% attention to it. But policy is still policy and everyone who knows it should follow it.

Your point is moot because you can do the same thing with darker non-black colors or lighter non-white colors.

I stalk recent uploads, when I can. I don't do it constantly. I'll miss certain images because I can't see them all. You'll see me warn players, but you can't expect me to check every single image in the wiki.

I don't like exceptions because then it'll give people more and more reasons to use it. 8I And that only gets more and more annoying.

Just because we can do the same thing with darker non black or lighter non whites doesn't mean we should have to. There is no reason at all that black and white should be completely forbidden, and if you can do the same thing with other darker or lighter colors, then why not let people have black or white when it's the exact same thing? It just creates problems where there are none. Your point about my point being moot is moot because you aren't seeing what I'm saying. You do warn people, and they upload new pictures, but the icon picture still stays rule breaking, and for some reason that's fine.

So if you don't like it, go make a thread to change it. Also still because I don't like exceptions to rules, because this only gives more and more opportunities for people to abuse it.

I don't even know why Icon pictures are suddenly mentioned. But okay.

Icon pictures were mentioned because, even though they contain white or black, you yourself have made an exception and have allowed them for some reason. http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Butterfly_Suit I even went and looked at the uploader's user page. You were there posting, but you said nothing about the white being a problem, or the problem with the color scheme not showing well the different dyeable parts. I was looking at the butterfly dress icon when I went to the uploaders user page, but butterfly suit was the topic, and I found it to be an even better example. The wiki policy says item images shouldn't have black or white. Are equipment item icon images not item images? I also don't see where you're getting me wanting exceptions, and even if there were exceptions, there would still be no more opportunities for people to "abuse" it than there are now, regardless, people already don't read the wiki policy when uploading their images. Let's just end this sub sub sub sub topic here, and I'll make a topic someday when I feel like talking about this again. I'm not trying to be mean or rude or anything, so I'm apologizing if I come off like that. Not upset at you either. Even though I bring terrible topics up, I don't really like all the conflict in them. I'm definitely not the arguing type. /wall of text

At the time I didn't even know that much about the dyeable parts of the outfit. Which is why I didn't question it. I left it there and forgot about it. Derp. There are plenty of perma white and black items, which is why I didn't question it. That and I haven't seen a single other Butterfly Suit.

And I say again. I'm not a hawk and I'm definitely not an elephant.

There would be problems, by allowing them exceptions to use black and white. People would use it wherever as 'exceptions' and knowing what kind of people are out there, this will happen.

and no offense, but I call BS on the non-arguing type.

I do get fired up in arguments, but I'm not a good arguer is what I mean, maybe saiyr remembers from years ago when I brought up problems on the irc a lot, in fact, I think I talked about this problem there too, but no one said anything to it. I wasn't active on mabi or here in April, but I'll try to help you out. I'm just a questioning person, I guess. The thing is black and white aren't the only problem colors. Any color could be a problem to have in some outfit, and don't forget about overall color scheme making it hard to tell dyeable parts. If you aren't sure if that part is dyeable you can ask. I do have a problem with white in that case there.